Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Heiden
Stephen, Our statistic of last week: 1024x76840753 60.4% 1280x1024 14808 21.9% 800x600 51967.7% 1152x86428784.3% na 18082.7% 1400 x ?693 1.0% 1600x1200 494 0.7% 1440 x ?307 0.5% 1680 x ?172

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 16 Dec 2005, at 5:28 pm, Martin Heiden wrote: Our statistic of last week: [snipped] Those numbers refer to the resolution of the monitor, right ? What would this tell me about the size of the browser window ? That is what interests me. The user may or may not have the browser window

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Heiden
Philippe, on Friday, December 16, 2005 at 09:46 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: On 16 Dec 2005, at 5:28 pm, Martin Heiden wrote: Our statistic of last week: [snipped] Those numbers refer to the resolution of the monitor, right ? What would this tell me about the size of the browser

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Martin Heiden wrote: IMHO there are too much fixed-width sites out there to make a sidebar usable with a x-resoultion 1024px. Unless one uses Opera and has it set to 'fit to window width'. Lots or variables... Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Heiden
Gunlaug, on Friday, December 16, 2005 at 11:36 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: Martin Heiden wrote: IMHO there are too much fixed-width sites out there to make a sidebar usable with a x-resoultion 1024px. Unless one uses Opera and has it set to 'fit to window width'. Lots or

[WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of 800x600 are around the 1% margin. Could those of you with access to good stats packages for your sites please

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Whilst stats can tell some stories, your question is almost one of those how long is a piece of string? types. Screen resolutions vary with target audiences. I have clients with agricultural based sites where I am still getting reports of screens at 640 x 480! Don't forget either that the

RE: Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread paul worrall
Design for 800 600 and work with the restrictions I say. Don't forget a lot of laptop and a handheld devices will need to look at your site also. Thanks,Paul Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:42:27 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Stephen Stagg wrote: Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of 800x600 are around the 1% margin... It is the viewport size that matters, the screen

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Bob Schwartz
I once read on the A List Apart web site that a 550px wide text box is about the limit of comfortable reading, so I use that as my base rule for site design. In the end it works out to 760px wide total content surrounded by pretty colors in the margins. Stephen Stagg wrote: Slightly

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
I thought I made my point in the original post. While I agree that sites should work at any resolution, and some (many possibly) people don't browse with browser maximised. What I can't do is supply all the images for a site at 10x10 pixels in case someone using a PDA wants to view the site.

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Charlie Bartlett
This might help you, Screen Res is near the bottom somewhere. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.aspThe latest figures are for July, so its a little out of date. I agree with Bobs point though, it interesting that we used to design for 800x600 so all our visitors could read our

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Bob Schwartz
Can't give you the stats but the 550px max width for text rule-of- thumb I use sort of dictates image sizes. (about 250px - 300px wide max). I've also found with clients that I often have to design for thier browser/monitor no matter my well-founded arguments to the contrary:-} I thought

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Stephen Stagg wrote: Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of 800x600 are around the 1% margin. Could those of you with access to good stats packages

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Brasna
It is the viewport size that matters, the screen resolution is essentially irrelevant. And everyone should remember this. I have 2560x1024 and available canvas in browsers about 900px wide. There are some graphs: http://weblog.jakpsatweb.cz/b/1108565041-mereni-sirky-okna-v-grafech.html (in

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Christian Montoya
I think all your problems would be solved if you stopped designing fixed width sites. Or at least most of your problems. I make sites that look fine from 640px to 1280px. I use max-width to keep them from getting too wide. I never have to think twice about what resolution to support. The hard part

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Bruce
Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions Stephen Stagg wrote: Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
I DON'T DESIGN FIXED WIDTH SITES. -- unless the client really wants it and they have a good reason I don't want to scale images until all major browsers support antialiased or bicubic scaling methods. I don't want to clip images because I believe that correct proportions and good cropping is an

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
Jan Brasna wrote: I WAS hoping that a couple of kind people might look at their server logs or stats and read off the resolution and % data for me. I posted link to charts. Not only with resolution (which is mostly irrelevant) but with viewport sizes as well. What more particularly do you

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Stephen Stagg wrote: I WAS hoping that a couple of kind people might look at their server logs or stats and read off the resolution and % data for me. my stats are here: http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp?action=statssite=s11hondaswapreport=73 based on roughly 500,000 page views a month

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Felix Miata
Bob Schwartz wrote: I once read on the A List Apart web site that a 550px wide text box is about the limit of comfortable reading, so I use that as my base rule for site design. 550px gives me only about 40 characters per line (28px default), normally much too narrow. Widths based upon line

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Brasna
It was useful, (if also in Czech.:) ) Good to hear :) I asked for people to get first-hand data is because it tends to be more reliable. Well, as someone smart said - you have to look at your own data to pick an appropriate solution. Other's data may not neccessarily fit your audience.

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Michael Wilson
Jan Brasna wrote: I asked for people to get first-hand data is because it tends to be more reliable. Well, as someone smart said - you have to look at your own data to pick an appropriate solution. Other's data may not neccessarily fit your audience. Hi, I agree, but still it's

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Michael Wilson wrote: I was surprised to see (in the data Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Isn't 1280x960 mostly on laptops? i don't even have that option on my machine (basic intel built

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Felix Miata
Michael Wilson wrote: I agree, but still it's interesting. I was surprised to see (in the data Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Many graphics adapter drivers substitute the non-standard 5/4

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/15/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Wilson wrote: I agree, but still it's interesting. I was surprised to see (in the data Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Many

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Michael Wilson
Brian Cummiskey wrote: Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Isn't 1280x960 mostly on laptops? i don't even have that option on my machine (basic intel built in graphics card) I have 1280x960

RE: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Noone
the minimum requirements for websites. -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: Friday, 16 December 2005 12:11 AM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Browser Resolutions Slightly off-list

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Futter
On 16/12/05 7:07 AM, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Wilson wrote: I was surprised to see (in the data Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Isn't 1280x960 mostly on

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Lloyd
Stephen, A site I maintain is used mainly by lawn mower/hardware shops. It is not uncommon to walk into one and find a network of 5 computers running Windows 95! The computers are far from being up to date but you may find these statistics of some use: