Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-17 Thread David Arnold
--Mike == Mike A Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote: Another source of complexity comes from the ancient, more than 10 years old X API. Many people argue that one just has to add new extensions to keep XFree up to date. Mike It is

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I personally don't see any alternative to overcome the current problems of XFree. I don't see real problems in XFree, and think that one of the best features of X is the networking

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Bharathi S
We need the X-newbies website - www.x-newbies.org ;) It is very important and XFree86 should publish a book for BASIC X window concept. It should explain all basic concepts of the Xwindow with example picture etc. Presently in Xfree86 very very less no.of picture are available to

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Christian Berger wrote:     Netscape is much faster than Mozilla.  I think it's just that some design decisions in the X version of Mozilla, which is probably much different than the Window's version, are suboptimal.  Having seen enough Well I doubt Mozilla for Windows

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, José Fonseca wrote: As far as development being stuck, no, I don't think so. It's just that the people who know enough about anything to get things done are very few. True, but there are reasons for that. The reason is that this stuff is difficult.

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread José Fonseca
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 08:39:10AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: [...] I don't interpret what Mark said like that at all. [...] (This comment below applies to all your comments I've cut here.) People's expectations and potential are always a very subjective matter. Perhaps I didn't understand

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Jens Owen
Mike A. Harris wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, José Fonseca wrote: I'm a mechanical engineer - my formation includes just an intro to Pascal and Fortran programming. My programming skills were self tought since my 10 years, but have very few things that I can show as programming experience proof.

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Geoffrey
Mike A. Harris wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Christian Berger wrote: Netscape is much faster than Mozilla. I think it's just that some design decisions in the X version of Mozilla, which is probably much different than the Window's version, are suboptimal. Having seen enough Well I

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, [iso-8859-1] José Fonseca wrote: My interest in the XFree86 development is infact rather specific: the RandR extension will be a crucial brick for a proper 3D support on lower end cards such as Mach64 which have little onboard memory. My question to you is: why do you

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Mark Vojkovich
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Bharathi S wrote: We need the X-newbies website - www.x-newbies.org ;) It is very important and XFree86 should publish a book for BASIC X window concept. It should explain all basic concepts of the Xwindow with example picture etc. Presently in Xfree86 very

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le mar 16/07/2002 à 19:52, Andrew P. Lentvorski a écrit : On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, [iso-8859-1] José Fonseca wrote: My interest in the XFree86 development is infact rather specific: the RandR extension will be a crucial brick for a proper 3D support on lower end cards such as Mach64 which

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread José Fonseca
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:52:22AM -0700, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, [iso-8859-1] José Fonseca wrote: My interest in the XFree86 development is infact rather specific: the RandR extension will be a crucial brick for a proper 3D support on lower end cards such as

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Christian Berger
Am Dienstag, 16. Juli 2002 20:17 schrieben Sie: Le mar 16/07/2002 à 19:52, Andrew P. Lentvorski a écrit : If he does help to implement RandR into XFree, his time won't be wasted. Moreover, that's what I like with opensource: I can find top-class OS drivers for old hardware, and use these

[Xpert]RE: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Andrew Berg
This thread has gone all over the place, but I have a suggestion. Has anyone considered setting up something like LXR (http://lxr.linux.no) against the sources for XFree86? I have occasionally had the need to browse the sources, but it seems to me that they are not segmented very logically. I

Re: [Xpert]RE: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-16 Thread Peter Finderup Lund
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Andrew Berg wrote: This thread has gone all over the place, but I have a suggestion. Has anyone considered setting up something like LXR (http://lxr.linux.no) against the sources for XFree86? I have occasionally had the need to browse I second that motion! -Peter

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote: Hello, in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop. However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are: 1. XFree is far too slow. What is your

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Mark Vojkovich wrote: I know there have been countless discussions on the X messaging system, but most of them missed the point. That is that such a messaging system introduces an enormous amount of complexity. As far as I know the only reason for having the X messaging

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
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[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Nick Name wrote: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:22:37 +0200 From: Nick Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Id: General X Discussion xpert.XFree86.Org Subject: Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end? On 15 Jul

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:34:11 +0200 From: Lukas Molzberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Id: General X Discussion xpert.XFree86.Org Subject: Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead

[Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote: Hello, in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop. However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are: 1. XFree is far too slow. No

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Finderup Lund
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote: An effort at a website with tutorials, HOWTO's and other developer related help information geared at helping NEW developers get up to scratch on given areas would be very useful if someone has the time to work on it. I've been writing some things

Re: [Xpert]Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?

2002-07-15 Thread pcpa
Quoting Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I personally don't see any alternative to overcome the current problems of XFree. I don't see real problems in XFree, and think that one of the best features of X is the networking capabilities. Indeed, have a look to how easy is to have