Interesting. I'm no student of either tanka or haiku, but the line Autumn
cries for spring... is completely at odds with the spirit of zen (well, haiku
at least - but not sure about tanka). Autumn does no such thing. Sounds like
the poetry of Keats or Shelley claiming that the 'trees mourn
From: mike brown Autumn cries for spring... is completely at odds with
the spirit of zen
Holy shit, a poetry critic? Bankei would kick your ass with a bamboo bat if
he were still around and was reading this and had bus fare to your home.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently
Haha! And Chairman Mao would crack your nutsack with that bit of selective
propoganda. (read what followed after I wrote that sentence)...
Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mike brown
Autumn cries for spring... is completely at odds with
the spirit of zen
Holy
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:09:28 -0800, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Haha! And Chairman Mao would crack your nutsack with that bit of
selective propoganda. (read what followed after I wrote that sentence)...
Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: mike brown
I am away for a month or so...must get a new business up and
running...Hopefully will catch breath and time and check in again by
Spring...Peace, Zenbob
I thought poets were maintained in the palace by the King?? If Bankei were
alive now, he would be very upset about the state of poetry.
Robert. Being a bit touchy there, aren't you? The critique was a well founded
one regarding zen and the impossible sentimentality of the seasons (this is
just not Zen). It had nothing to do whatsoever with your reconciliation with
anyone. If such a comment has the power to cast a shadow... in
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The critique was a well founded one regarding zen and the impossible
sentimentality of the seasons (this is just not Zen)
No, the critique was a foolish one on a poetry form that you are not
schooled in,
and your
I guess you've gone out of town for a while, but I hope we can continue with
this thread when you're back. I have the feeling it'll be good fun! (but I
still know I'm correct...). Gone fishing, Mike.
Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800,
mike brown
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 ZenBob wrote:
No, absolutely no. You fail to understand the manner of human thinking.
We cannot say don't think of an elephant and not think of an elephant --
even the act of attempting to negate that thought is the formation of that
thought.
Understanding the manner of
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:55:31 -0800, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 ZenBob wrote:
No, absolutely no. You fail to understand the manner of human thinking.
We cannot say don't think of an elephant and not think of an elephant
--
even the act of attempting to negate
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 ZenBob wrote:
It is neither correct nor incorrect to
state that if one practices Zen that one does not make choices. As
humans, we make choices, and practicing Zen is a choice.
If we then choose to practice Zen, then our Zen Mind, and Zen Bones,
follow that
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:52:23 -0800, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 ZenBob wrote:
It is neither correct nor incorrect to
state that if one practices Zen that one does not make choices. As
humans, we make choices, and practicing Zen is a choice.
If we then
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:52:32 -0800, anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
---Dear ZenBob,
The absolute and the reletive are not to a degree reletive
or Absolutist. I'm reffering here to the Absolute and Reletive
truth of the Universe.
I realize that...but the relative and absolute truth
The Absolute and the Reletive truths are not conditional, it is not
about our understanding. they exist, whether we get it or not. And
we are not seperate from this, never said that.
I might say that the objective of Zen and human existence on a
fundemental level are one and the same, not some
I’m already here!
Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the zen..
Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Move to a different carriage…Bill!
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits himself
and the odour fills the carriage - are you going to cleanse your
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Kirbo
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen Koans
[…stuff cut…]you can imagine your companion to be a beautiful and charming
young lady (or wolverine
Ekaku, 1686-1769, considered a
reviver of
the Koan tradition in Japan).
_
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On Behalf
Of Al
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 07:00
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Zen Koans
I realize that there are many
...then were something more...
Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:04:54 -0800,
anatmanwave
wrote:
--- Just be with the smell of shit till i can get off. This is the
reality of the situation. Maybe offer the guy a few kind words, I
could only imagine his
... now they're just mountains once more.
Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ZenBob,
Thanks for your excellent post.
Before I continue I want to make sure my posts are received as I intend them.
Ive been accused in the past of sounding
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:54:11 -0800, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Notice there is a complete absence of CHOOSING. To make sure of that I
would change the word DETERMINING in the third sentence to REALIZING or
ACCEPTING.
I am deeply familiar with Zen, as a practitioner for more
Actually, it wasn't me who wrote that but I agree; it's neither correct nor
incorrect to say that in zen we make choices. One the one hand, thoughts often
spontaneously arise giving us the illusion that we created that thought. On the
other, once that thought has arisen it becomes a question of
ember 23, 2007 07:00
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Subject: [Zen] Zen Koans
I realize that there are many interesting stories about Zen Koans. I
have
found it to be very entertaining reading.
However, some of the koans make me wonder if they do not have to be
interpreted based on a culture of alcoholism
Move to a different carriage…Bill!
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits himself
and the odour fills the carriage - are you going to cleanse your chakras or
what else are you going to do?
Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Koan is for
Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the zen..
Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Move to a different carriageâ¦Bill!
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits
himself and the odour fills the carriage - are
From: mike brown Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the
zen..
Sometimes how we move determines whether or not you squirt your pants...Ever
have the squirts??
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I know what you mean. Brings on a totally new meaning to Unmon's: If you walk,
just walk. If you sit; just sit; but whatever you do, don't wobble. Maybe in
a modern context that would have been his warning to his co-driver if they'd
been pulled over..
Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I
: [Zen] Zen Koans
I realize that there are many interesting stories about Zen Koans. I have
found it to be very entertaining reading.
However, some of the koans make me wonder if they do not have to be
interpreted based on a culture of alcoholism and illiteracy which existed
back in those days
I also think there is a cultural gap in koans, especially if you try to just
translate and contemplate them as they are.
I suspect it is both the culture and the language. Not sure about issues
cited in previous post (below)
While some may find value the koans them, I sit
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