Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to move to the illumos mailing list, as Deirdre suggests? From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to move to

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down.  What does that mean for this mailing list?  Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? There is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: sriram...@gmail.com [mailto:sriram...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Narayanan Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. hehehehehe... he knows better. ;-) Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official

[zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread Karl Wagner
I have a small problem. I have a development fileserver box running Solaris 11 Express. The Rpool is mirrored between an SSD and a hard drive. Today, the SSD deveoped a fault for some reason. While trying to diagnose the problem, the system panicked and rebooted. The SSD was the first boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread John D Groenveld
In message CANxrvgW3oHstp7gtMxjbqU6u4KdvESvXZ_x1facpp=ozzgv...@mail.gmail.com , Karl Wagner writes: The SSD was the first boot drive, and every time it tried to boot it panicked and rebooted, ending up in a loop. I tried to change to the second rpool drive, but either I forgot to install grub on

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we literally have heard NOTHING from

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will get picked up by somebody

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread cindy swearingen
Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net. There is a huge ecosystem around Solaris and

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread James C. McPherson
On 17/02/13 06:54 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/16/2013 10:47 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: On 17/02/13 06:54 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread James C. McPherson
On 17/02/13 08:48 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 10:47 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: ... Whether that message winds up being something you need to talk with a Oracle about is entirely different. He got a kernel panic on a completely legitimate operation (booting with one half of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-02-16 21:49, John D Groenveld wrote: By the way, whatever the error message is when booting, it disapears so quickly I can't read it, so I am only guessing that this is the reason. Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. And that would be so: 1) In the boot loader (GRUB)

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate mirrors and caches? I understand that Oracle has some business priorities, but retiring hardware causes

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Fred Liu
Is it possible to replicate the whole opensolaris site to illumos/openindiana/smartos/omnios site in a sub-catalog as archive? -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Toby Thain
On 16/02/13 3:51 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Toby Thain wrote: Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post here, and many others. Let the Illumos list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, cindy swearingen cindy.swearin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 01:17:58, Tim Cook wrote: | | While I'm sure many appreciate the offer as I do, I can tell you for me | personally: never going to happen. Why would I spend all that time and | energy participating in