Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-05-03 Thread Richard Jacobsen
Hi Paul, I have been testing ZoL for a while now (somewhere around a year?) on two separate machines: 1) dual Socket 771 Xeon , 8GB ECC RAM, 12 Seagate 1TB ES.2 HD (2x6 disk raidz2), ubuntu oneiric, with the zfs-native/stable PPA 2) Intel Xeon CPU E31120, 8GB ECC RAM, 4 x 400GB WD RE2 ( 1 4

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Paul Archer
This may fall into the realm of a religious war (I hope not!), but recently several people on this list have said/implied that ZFS was only acceptable for production use on FreeBSD (or Solaris, of course) rather than Linux with ZoL. I'm working on a project at work involving a large(-ish)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 05:48:57AM -0700, Paul Archer wrote: This may fall into the realm of a religious war (I hope not!), but recently several people on this list have said/implied that ZFS was only acceptable for production use on FreeBSD (or Solaris, of course) rather than Linux with ZoL.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Paul Archer wrote: This may fall into the realm of a religious war (I hope not!), but recently several people on this list have said/implied that ZFS was only acceptable for production use on FreeBSD (or Solaris, of course) rather than Linux with ZoL. I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Paul Archer
9:59am, Richard Elling wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Paul Archer wrote: This may fall into the realm of a religious war (I hope not!), but recently several people on this list have said/implied that ZFS was only acceptable for production use on FreeBSD (or Solaris, of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Paul Archer wrote: 9:59am, Richard Elling wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Paul Archer wrote: This may fall into the realm of a religious war (I hope not!), but recently several people on this list have said/implied that ZFS was only acceptable

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Jordan Schwartz
To put it slightly differently, if I used ZoL in production, would I be likely to experience performance or stability problems? I saw one team revert from ZoL (CentOS 6) back to ext on some backup servers for an application project, the killer was stat times (find running slow etc.), perhaps

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Stefan Ring
I saw one team revert from ZoL (CentOS 6) back to ext on some backup servers for an application project, the killer  was stat times (find running slow etc.), perhaps more layer 2 cache could have solved the problem, but it was easier to deploy ext/lvm2. But stat times (think directory

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Paul Archer
To put it slightly differently, if I used ZoL in production, would I be likely to experience performance or stability problems? I saw one team revert from ZoL (CentOS 6) back to ext on some backup servers for an application project, the killer  was stat times (find running slow etc.), perhaps

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Paul Archer
9:08pm, Stefan Ring wrote: Sorry for not being able to contribute any ZoL experience. I've been pondering whether it's worth trying for a few months myself already. Last time I checked, it didn't support the .zfs directory (for snapshot access), which you really don't want to miss after getting

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on Linux vs FreeBSD

2012-04-25 Thread Nico Williams
As I understand it LLNL has very large datasets on ZFS on Linux. You could inquire with them, as well as http://groups.google.com/a/zfsonlinux.org/group/zfs-discuss/topics?pli=1 . My guess is that it's quite stable for at least some use cases (most likely: LLNL's!), but that may not be yours.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-15 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 04:15:17PM +0400, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his

[zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his research, there are some kernel modules for Debian which implement ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread David Magda
On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his research, there are

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
There's also ZFS from KQInfotech. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Marty Scholes
Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-14 21:38, Marty Scholes пишет: Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
I just learned from the Phoronix website that KQ Infotech has stopped working on ZFS for Linux, but that their github repo is still active. Also, zfsonlinux.org mentioned earlier on this mail thread is seeing active development. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, Sriram Narayanan sri...@belenix.org wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered variant as well ;) I am going to try and build such a VirtualBox for my

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/14/2011 12:50 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered variant as well ;) I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Hello,  A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in Linux (was Opensolaris is apparently dead)

2010-08-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling 1) The OpenSource definition http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php section 9 makes it very clear that an OSS license must not restrict other software and must not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in Linux (was Opensolaris is apparently dead)

2010-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: The reasons for ZFS not in Linux must be more than just the license issue. If Linux has ZFS, then it would be possible to do - I/O performance analysis based on the same FS implementation - stability analysis for data, crashes, ...

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-06 Thread eric kustarz
On May 5, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: Is it also true that ZFS can't be re-implemented in GPLv2 code because then the CDDL-based patent protections don't apply? Some of it has already been done:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-06 Thread Bill McGonigle
On May 6, 2008, at 12:54, eric kustarz wrote: Some of it has already been done: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/grub/ grub-0.95/stage2/zfs-include/uberblock_impl.h That file says 'Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc.', though, so Sun has the rights to do

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-06 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Bill McGonigle wrote: That file says 'Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc.', though, so Sun has the rights to do this. But being GPLv2 code, why do I have any patent rights to include/redistribute that grub code in my (theoretical) product (let's assume it does something

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-06 Thread Bill McGonigle
On May 6, 2008, at 14:59, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: By releasing this bit of code to Grub under the GPL v2 license, Sun has effectively transferred rights to use that scrap of code (in any context) regardless of any Sun patents which may apply. Ah, yes, I was wrong on this one - I see

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
Is it also true that ZFS can't be re-implemented in GPLv2 code because then the CDDL-based patent protections don't apply? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-01 Thread Mertol Ozyoney
Hi All ; What is the status of ZFS on linux and what are the kernel's supported? Regards Mertol http://www.sun.com/ http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif Mertol Ozyoney Storage Practice - Sales Manager Sun Microsystems, TR Istanbul TR Phone +902123352200 Mobile

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-01 Thread Mario Goebbels
What is the status of ZFS on linux and what are the kernel’s supported? There's sort of an experimental port to FUSE. Last I heard about it, it isn't exactly stable and the ARC's missing too, or at least gimped. There won't be in kernel ZFS due to license issues (CDDL vs. GPL). -mg

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Mario Goebbels wrote: What is the status of ZFS on linux and what are the kernel’s supported? There's sort of an experimental port to FUSE. Last I heard about it, it isn't exactly stable and the ARC's missing too, or at least gimped. There won't be in kernel ZFS due to license issues (CDDL

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-01 Thread Mario Goebbels
Also if ZFS can be implemented completely outside of the Linux kernel source tree as a plugin module then it falls into the same category of modules as proprietary binary device drivers. The Linux community has a strange attitude about proprietary drivers. Otherwise I wouldn't have to put up

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2008-05-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the status of ZFS on linux and what are the kernel???s supported? There's sort of an experimental port to FUSE. Last I heard about it, it isn't exactly stable and the ARC's missing too, or at least gimped. There won't be in kernel ZFS due to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-06-05 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 13:27 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: What errors and error rates have you seen? I have seen switches flip bits in NFS traffic such that the TCP checksum still match yet the data was corrupted. One of the ways we saw this was when files were being checked out of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-31 Thread David Anderson
Nathan, Keep in mind iSCSI target is only in OpenSolaris at this time. On 05/30/2007 10:15 PM, Nathan Huisman wrote: snip = QUESTION #1 What is the best way to mirror two zfs pools in order to achieve a sort of HA storage system? I don't want to have to physically swap my disks into

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-31 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Darren J Moffat wrote: Since you are doing iSCSI and may not be running ZFS on the initiator (client) then I highly recommend that you run with IPsec using at least AH (or ESP with Authentication) to protect the transport. Don't assume that your network is reliable. ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
Al Hopper wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Darren J Moffat wrote: Since you are doing iSCSI and may not be running ZFS on the initiator (client) then I highly recommend that you run with IPsec using at least AH (or ESP with Authentication) to protect the transport. Don't assume that your network

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-31 Thread Matty
On 5/31/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are doing iSCSI and may not be running ZFS on the initiator (client) then I highly recommend that you run with IPsec using at least AH (or ESP with Authentication) to protect the transport. Don't assume that your network is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Li
Al Hopper 提到: On Thu, 31 May 2007, David Anderson wrote: snip . Other: -Others have reported that Sil3124 based SATA expansion cards work well with Solaris. [Sorry - don't mean to hijack this interesting thread] I believe that there is a serious bug with the si3124 driver that

[zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-30 Thread Nathan Huisman
= PROBLEM To create a disk storage system that will act as an archive point for user data (Non-recoverable data), and also act as a back end storage unit for virtual machines at a block level. = BUDGET Currently I have about 25-30k to start the project, more could be allocated in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-30 Thread Dale Ghent
On May 31, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Nathan Huisman wrote: = PROBLEM To create a disk storage system that will act as an archive point for user data (Non-recoverable data), and also act as a back end storage unit for virtual machines at a block level. snip Here are some tips from me. I notice

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-30 Thread Will Murnane
Questions I don't know answers to are omitted. I am but a nestling. On 5/31/07, Nathan Huisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = STORAGE REQUIREMENTS 5-10tb of redundant fairly high speed storage What does high speed mean? How many users are there for this system? Are they accessing it via

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + ISCSI + LINUX QUESTIONS

2007-05-30 Thread Sanjeev Bagewadi
Nathan, Some answers inline... Nathan Huisman wrote: = PROBLEM To create a disk storage system that will act as an archive point for user data (Non-recoverable data), and also act as a back end storage unit for virtual machines at a block level. = BUDGET Currently I have about

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-18 Thread Erblichs
Joerg Schilling, Stepping back into the tech discussion. If we want a port of ZFS to Linux to begin, SHOULD the kitchen sink approach be abandoned for the 1.0 release?? For later releases, dropped functionality could be added in. Suggested 1.0

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh. We have devolved. Every thread on OpenSolaris discuss lists seems to devolve into a license discussion. It is funny to see that in our case, the tecnical problems (those caused by the fact that linux implements a different VFS interface layer)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Paul Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason that the CDDL dictates, or that Sun would object, to zfs being made available as an independently distributed Linux kernel module? In other words, if I made an Nvidia-like distribution available, would that be OK from the OpenSolaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Ignatich
Bart Smaalders writes: Abide by the terms of the CDDL and all is well. Basically, all you have to do is make your changes to CDDL'd files available. What you do w/ the code you built (load it into MVS, ship a storage appliance, build a ZFS for Linux) is up to you. The problem is not with

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Dick Davies
On 13/04/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact that the GPL applies ONLY to MY code as licensor (*and modifications thereto*); it has absolutely nothing to say about what you

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Frank Cusack
On April 13, 2007 10:48:38 AM +0400 Ignatich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Sun opened most if not all ZFS related patents for OpenSolaris community. So I repeat questions I asked in my first mail: 1. Are those patents limited to CDDL/OpenSolaris code or can by used in GPL/Linux too? 2. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact that the GPL applies ONLY to MY code as licensor (*and modifications thereto*); it has

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Ignatich wrote: Bart Smaalders writes: Abide by the terms of the CDDL and all is well. Basically, all you have to do is make your changes to CDDL'd files available. What you do w/ the code you built (load it into MVS, ship a storage appliance, build a ZFS for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact that the GPL applies ONLY to MY code as

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Apr-07, at 9:51 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often agencies of Microsoft - have all foundered on the simple fact

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Ignatich wrote: Bart Smaalders writes: Abide by the terms of the CDDL and all is well. Basically, all you have to do is make your changes to CDDL'd files available. What you do w/ the code you built (load it into MVS, ship a storage appliance, build a ZFS for Linux) is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: IMHO, this is a faulty conclusion. And I disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree. The interesting use case of contributing, and I think the one that spurred the creation of the GPL, is I use this but I need to customise it a bit. In this

STOP PLEASE Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Darren J Moffat
Can we please get this licensing debate OFF zfs-discuss. The thread has long since lost any relevance to ZFS on Linux or even ZFS in general. It instead has become yet another debate by non legally trained people on their interpretations of one license over another. -- Darren J Moffat

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Toby Thain
On 13-Apr-07, at 11:39 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: IMHO, this is a faulty conclusion. And I disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree. The interesting use case of contributing, and I think the one that spurred the creation of the GPL, is I use this

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Rich, Friday, April 13, 2007, 4:39:03 PM, you wrote: RT On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: IMHO, this is a faulty conclusion. RT And I disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree. The interesting use case of contributing, and I think the one that spurred the creation of the

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Toby, Friday, April 13, 2007, 3:06:44 PM, you wrote: TT On 13-Apr-07, at 9:51 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 11:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Those who promulgate the tag for whatever motive - often

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-13 Thread Claus Guttesen
And then you complain you can't get zfs or nvidia or wifi or ... drivers, because you want that drivers and you want to force those companies to give them for you under GPLv2. Some companies try to go around that problem and there's still no consensus if it's legal or not - but everyone is happy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? The anti-GPL kneejerk just witnessed on this list is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Read what I wrote

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? The anti-GPL kneejerk just witnessed

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Ignatich
Joerg Schilling writes: There is a lot of missunderstandings with the GPL. Porting ZFS to Linux wouldnotmake ZFS a derived work from Linux. I do not see why anyone could claim that there is a need to publish ZFS under GPL in case you use it on Linux. The CDDL however allows you to use it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ignatich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling writes: There is a lot of missunderstandings with the GPL. Porting ZFS to Linux wouldnotmake ZFS a derived work from Linux. I do not see why anyone could claim that there is a need to publish ZFS under GPL in case you use it on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Darren Reed
From: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ignatich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling writes: There is a lot of missunderstandings with the GPL. Porting ZFS to Linux wouldnotmake ZFS a derived work from Linux. I do not see why anyone could claim that there is a need to publish ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see no problems, I see no problems but various Linux people do, including Linus. But as all we have is a collection of different viewpoints and nothing has been decided in a court of law, the exact meaning is open to interpretation/discussion. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 12:15 AM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/11/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Hey,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 1:01 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Read what I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 8:34 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ignatich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling writes: There is a lot of missunderstandings with the GPL. Porting ZFS to Linux wouldnotmake ZFS a derived work from Linux. I do not see why anyone could claim that there is a need to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 1:02 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: ... Which is funny considering how many GPL projects *love* the fact that BSD-licensed code is easily integrable with their project, yet don't want to give others the same benefit. That's a pointless remark. Why? BSD licensors choose that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:45PM -0300, Toby Thain wrote: Hey, then just don't *keep on* asking to relicense ZFS (and anything else) to GPL. I never would. But it would be horrifying to imagine it relicensed to BSD. (Hello, Microsoft, you just got yourself a competitive filesystem.)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Individually, Linux contributors have every right to retain their choice of license for software they produce. But given the viral nature of the GPL, Is it worth reading the rest of your post, if it starts with silliness like that? Do you mean to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:45PM -0300, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 12:15 AM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/11/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 07:07:33PM -0300, Toby Thain wrote: Now, all we have to do is respect each other. End of problem. I think this sub-thread started with a comment by you about someone else's kneejerk anti-GPL comments. I don't recall any such comments in this thread. I think you might

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Frank Cusack
On April 12, 2007 5:33:00 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:45PM -0300, Toby Thain wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 12:15 AM, Rayson Ho wrote: On 4/11/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Shawn Walker
On 12/04/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 1:02 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: ... Which is funny considering how many GPL projects *love* the fact that BSD-licensed code is easily integrable with their project, yet don't want to give others the same benefit. That's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Shawn Walker
On 12/04/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Apr-07, at 1:01 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Apr-07, at 7:21 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: Individually, Linux contributors have every right to retain their choice of license for software they produce. But given the viral nature of the GPL, Is it worth reading the rest of your post, if it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ignatich, Thursday, April 12, 2007, 12:32:13 AM, you wrote: I Hello, I I believe that ZFS and it's concepts is truly revolutionary to the I point that I no longer see any OS as modern if it does not have I comparable storage functionality. Therefore I think that file I system/disk manager

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rayson Ho
On 4/11/07, Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking closely to GPLv3 but maybe Linux should change it's license to actually provide more freedom and problem would disappear then. See ZFS being ported to FreeBSD. Agreed. Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why not Linux changes its license and be compatible with *BSD and Solaris?? I agree with this sentiment, but the reality is that changing the Linux kernel's license would require the consent of every

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Ignatich
Rich Teer writes: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why not Linux changes its license and be compatible with *BSD and Solaris?? I agree with this sentiment, but the reality is that changing the Linux kernel's license would require the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Ignatich
Robert Milkowski writes: I'm looking closely to GPLv3 but maybe Linux should change it's license to actually provide more freedom and problem would disappear then. See ZFS being ported to FreeBSD. Will GPLv3 be CDDL compatible? I don't think so, but I'm no lawyer. Perhaps somebody with more

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Ignatich wrote: Does Sun have plans to dual license ZFS as GPL so it can be ported to native Linux? I don't work for Sun so I can't speak for them. The last I heard was that Sun was looking at GPLv3, and considering its use for one or more projects, either dual licensed

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Apr-07, at 8:25 PM, Ignatich wrote: Rich Teer writes: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why not Linux changes its license and be compatible with *BSD and Solaris?? I agree with this sentiment, but the reality is that changing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rayson Ho
On 4/11/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Hey, then just don't *keep on* asking to relicense

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Darren Reed
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Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Toby Thain wrote: I hope this isn't turning into a License flame war. But why do Linux contributors not deserve the right to retain their choice of license as equally as Sun, or any other copyright holder, does? Read what I wrote again, more slowly. Individually, Linux

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Hey, then just don't *keep on* asking to relicense ZFS (and anything else) to GPL. Amen to that! I don't think a lot of Solaris users ask on the Linux kernel mailing list to relicense Linux kernel components to CDDL so that they can use the features on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

2007-04-11 Thread Shawn Walker
On 11/04/07, Toby Thain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11-Apr-07, at 8:25 PM, Ignatich wrote: Rich Teer writes: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Rayson Ho wrote: Why does everyone need to be compatible with Linux?? Why not Linux changes its license and be compatible with *BSD and Solaris?? I agree with

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux 2.6

2006-11-07 Thread Erik Trimble
There have been extensive discussions on loadable modules and licensing w/r/t the GPLv2 in the linux kernel. nVidia, amongst others, pushed hard to allow for non-GPL-compatible licensed code to be allowed as a Linux kernel module. However, the kernel developers' consensus seems to have come

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux 2.6

2006-11-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been extensive discussions on loadable modules and licensing w/r/t the GPLv2 in the linux kernel. nVidia, amongst others, pushed hard to allow for non-GPL-compatible licensed code to be allowed as a Linux kernel module. However, the kernel

[zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux 2.6

2006-11-06 Thread Yuen L. Lee
I'm curious whether there is a version of Linux 2.6 ZFS available? Many thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux 2.6

2006-11-06 Thread James Dickens
On 11/6/06, Yuen L. Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious whether there is a version of Linux 2.6 ZFS available?Many thanks.sorry there is no ZFS in Linux, and given current stands of Linus Torvalds and the current Kernel team there never will be, because Linux is GPLv2 and it is incompatible

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux 2.6

2006-11-06 Thread Matt Ingenthron
James Dickens wrote: On 11/6/06, Yuen L. Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious whether there is a version of Linux 2.6 ZFS available? Many thanks. sorry there is no ZFS in Linux, and given current stands of Linus Torvalds and the current Kernel team there never will be, because