Re: [zfs-discuss] Unreliable ZFS backups or....

2006-08-14 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:25:11PM -0700, Peter Looyenga wrote: I looked into backing up ZFS and quite honostly I can't say I am convinced about its usefullness here when compared to the traditional ufsdump/restore. While snapshots are nice they can never substitute offline backups. And

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: 3510 HW RAID vs 3510 JBOD ZFS SOFTWARE RAID

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
The test case was build 38, Solaris 11, a 2 GB file, initially created with 1 MB SW, and a recsize of 8 KB, on a pool with two raid-z 5+1, accessed with 24 threads of 8 KB RW, for 500,000 ops or 40 seconds which ever came first. The result at the pool level was 78% of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
Hi Bob, Looks like : 6415647 Sequential writing is jumping http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6415647 -r Roch BourbonnaisSun Microsystems, Icnc-Grenoble Senior

Re: [zfs-discuss] Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Neil Perrin
Yes James is right this is normal behaviour. Unless the writes are synchronous (O_DSYNC) or explicitely flushed (fsync()) then they are batched up, written out and committed as a transaction every txg_time (5 seconds). Neil. James C. McPherson wrote: Bob Evans wrote: Just getting my feet wet

Re: [zfs-discuss] Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
Neil Perrin writes: Yes James is right this is normal behaviour. Unless the writes are synchronous (O_DSYNC) or explicitely flushed (fsync()) then they are batched up, written out and committed as a transaction every txg_time (5 seconds). Neil. James C. McPherson wrote: Bob

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Lots of seeks?

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
Incidentally, this is part of how QFS gets its performance for streaming I/O. We use an allocate forward policy, allow very largeallocation blocks, and separate the metadata from data. This allows us to write (or read) data in fairly large I/O requests, without

[zfs-discuss] Re: Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Bob Evans
I'm starting simple, there is no app. I have a 10GB file (called foo) on the internal FC drive, I did a zfs create raidz bar then ran cp foo /bar/, so there is no cpu activity due to an app. As a test case, this took 7 min 30 sec to copy to the zfs partition. I removed the pool,

[zfs-discuss] Re: Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Bob Evans
As added information, top reports that cp is using about 25% of the single cpu. There are no other apps running. Bob This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
Bob Evans writes: I'm starting simple, there is no app. I have a 10GB file (called foo) on the internal FC drive, I did a zfs create raidz bar then ran cp foo /bar/, so there is no cpu activity due to an app. As a test case, this took 7 min 30 sec to copy to the zfs

[zfs-discuss] Re: Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Bob Evans
One last tidbit, for what it is worth. Rather than watch top, I ran xcpustate. It seems that just as the writes pause, the cpu looks like it hits 100% (or very close), then it falls back down to its lower level. I'm still getting used to Solaris 10 as well, so if you have a DTrace script

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Roch
Bob Evans writes: One last tidbit, for what it is worth. Rather than watch top, I ran xcpustate. It seems that just as the writes pause, the cpu looks like it hits 100% (or very close), then it falls back down to its lower level. I'm still getting used to Solaris 10 as well, so

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: 3510 HW RAID vs 3510 JBOD ZFS SOFTWARE RAID

2006-08-14 Thread Neil Perrin
Robert Milkowski wrote: ps. however I'm really concerned with ZFS behavior when a pool is almost full, there're lot of write transactions to that pool and server is restarted forcibly or panics. I observed that file systems on that pool will mount in 10-30 minutes each during zfs mount -a, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Significant pauses during zfs writes

2006-08-14 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Hey, Bob - It might be worth exploring where your data stream for the writes was coming from. Moreover, it might be worth exploring how fast it was filling up caches for writing. Were you delivering enough data to keep the disks busy 100% of the time? I have been tricked by this before... :)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
Eric Schrock wrote: This case adds a new option, 'zfs create -o', which allows for any ZFS property to be set at creation time. Multiple '-o' options can appear in the same subcommand. Specifying the same property multiple times in the same command results in an error. For example:

Re: [zfs-discuss] user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
Jeff A. Earickson wrote: Are there any plans/schemes for per-user quotas within a ZFS filesystem, akin to the UFS quotaon(1M) mechanism? I take it that quotaon won't work with a ZFS filesystem, right? Suggestions please? My notion right now is to drop quotas for /var/mail. An alternative