Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread przemolicc
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 12:14:20PM -0700, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the case where I don't understand Sun's politics at all: Sun doesn't offer really cheap JBOD which can be bought just for ZFS. And don't even tell me about 3310/3320 JBODs - they are horrible

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-08 Thread Jim Sloey
Roch - PAE wrote: The hard part is getting a set of simple requirements. As you go into more complex data center environments you get hit with older Solaris revs, other OSs, SOX compliance issues, etc. etc. etc. The world where most of us seem to be playing with ZFS is on the lower end of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 09:41:58AM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, when I talk about cheap JBOD I think about home users/small servers/small companies. I guess you can sell 100 X4500 and at the same time 1000 (or even more) cheap JBODs to the small companies

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello James, Thursday, September 7, 2006, 8:58:10 PM, you wrote: JD with ZFS I have found that memory is a much greater limitation, even JD my dual 300mhz u2 has no problem filling 2x 20MB/s scsi channels, even JD with compression enabled, using raidz and 10k rpm 9GB drives, thanks JD to its 2GB

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-08 Thread Roch - PAE
zfs hogs all the ram under a sustained heavy write load. This is being tracked by: 6429205 each zpool needs to monitor it's throughput and throttle heavy writers -r ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] zfs assertion failure

2006-09-08 Thread Gavin Maltby
Hi, My desktop paniced last night during a zfs receive operation. This is a dual opteron system running snv_47 and bfu'd to DEBUG project bits that are in sync with the onnv gate as of two days ago. The project bits are for Opteron FMA and don't appear at all active in the panic. I'll log a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320

2006-09-08 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Jim Sloey wrote: Roch - PAE wrote: The hard part is getting a set of simple requirements. As you go into more complex data center environments you get hit with older Solaris revs, other OSs, SOX compliance issues, etc. etc. etc. The world where most of us seem to be

[zfs-discuss] ?: ZFS and jumpstart export race condition

2006-09-08 Thread Steffen Weiberle
I have a jumpstart server where the install images are on a ZFS pool. For PXE boot, several lofs mounts are created and configured in /etc/vfstab. My system does not boot properly anymore because the mounts referring to jumstart files haven't been mounted yet via ZFS. What is the best way of

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on production servers with SLA

2006-09-08 Thread Nicolas Dorfsman
Hi, I'm currently doing some tests on a SF15K domain with Solaris 10 installed. The target is to convince my cu to use Solaris 10 for this domain AND establish a list of recommendations. The ZFS perimeter is really an issue for me. For now, I'm waiting for fresh

Re: [zfs-discuss] ?: ZFS and jumpstart export race condition

2006-09-08 Thread Thomas Wagner
Steffen, I have the same with my home-installserver. As a dirty solution I set mount-at-boot to no for the lofs Filesystems, to get the system up. But with every new OS added by JET the mount at reboot reappears. Seems to me as the question when should a lofs filesystem be mounted at boot. When

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on production servers with SLA

2006-09-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
Nicolas Dorfsman wrote: Hi, I'm currently doing some tests on a SF15K domain with Solaris 10 installed. The target is to convince my cu to use Solaris 10 for this domain AND establish a list of recommendations. The ZFS perimeter is really an issue for me. For

Re: [zfs-discuss] ?: ZFS and jumpstart export race condition

2006-09-08 Thread Casper . Dik
I have the same with my home-installserver. As a dirty solution I set mount-at-boot to no for the lofs Filesystems, to get the system up. But with every new OS added by JET the mount at reboot reappears. Seems to me as the question when should a lofs filesystem be mounted at boot. When does a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ?: ZFS and jumpstart export race condition

2006-09-08 Thread Steffen Weiberle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote On 09/08/06 09:06,: I have the same with my home-installserver. As a dirty solution I set mount-at-boot to no for the lofs Filesystems, to get the system up. But with every new OS added by JET the mount at reboot reappears. Seems to me as the question when should a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ?: ZFS and jumpstart export race condition

2006-09-08 Thread Casper . Dik
I believe that add_install_client [with a -b option?] is what is creating my vfstab entries. I haven't had reboot issues until overnight (a system move), and I have been doing PXE boot of some x64 systems only recently, i.e. since the most recent power failure. Install images are being put

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs assertion failure

2006-09-08 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 09/08/06 15:20, Mark Maybee wrote: Gavin, Please file a bug on this. I filed 6468748. Attach the core now. Cheers Gavin ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite see this in my crystal ball. Rather, I see all of the SAS/SATA chipset vendors putting RAID in the chipset. Basically, you can't get a dumb interface anymore, except for fibre channel :-). In other words, if we were to design a system in a chassis with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS's performance

2006-09-08 Thread Bart Smaalders
Josip Gracin wrote: Hello! Could somebody please explain the following bad performance of a machine running ZFS. I have a feeling it has something to with the way ZFS uses memory, because I've checked with ::kmastat and it shows that ZFS uses huge amounts of memory which I think is killing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:33, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: I was looking for a new AM2 socket motherboard a few weeks ago. All of the ones I looked at had 2xIDE and 4xSATA with onboard (SATA) RAID. All were less than $150. In other words, the days of having a JBOD-only solution are over except for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Torrey McMahon
Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:33, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: I was looking for a new AM2 socket motherboard a few weeks ago. All of the ones I looked at had 2xIDE and 4xSATA with onboard (SATA) RAID. All were less than $150. In other words, the days of having a JBOD-only solution are

RE: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Bennett, Steve
Dunno about eSATA jbods, but eSATA host ports have appeared on at least two HDTV-capable DVRs for storage expansion (looks like one model of the Scientific Atlanta cable box DVR's as well as on the shipping-any-day-now Tivo Series 3). It's strange that they didn't go with firewire since

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 11:35, Torrey McMahon wrote: If I read between the lines here I think you're saying that the raid functionality is in the chipset but the management can only be done by software running on the outside. (Right?) No. All that's in the chipset is enough to

[zfs-discuss] Hotswap not working

2006-09-08 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
My first real-hardware Solaris install. I've installed S10 u2 on a system with an Asus M2n-SLI Deluxe nForce 570-SLI motherboard, Athlon 64 X2 dual core CPU. It's in a Chenbro SR107 case with two Chenbro 4-drive SATA hot-swap bays. C1D0 is in the first hot-swap bay, and is the boot drive (an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Anton B. Rang wrote: JBOD probably isn't dead, simply because motherboard manufacturers are unlikely to pay the extra $10 it might cost to use a RAID-enabled chip rather than a plain chip (and the cost is more if you add cache RAM); but basic RAID is at least cheap. NVidia MCPs (later NForce