Re: [zfs-discuss] confusion and frustration with zpool

2008-07-07 Thread MC
I got a 750 and sliced it and mirrored the other pieces. Maybe you ran into a bug, because that situation would not be tested much in the wild... or maybe you just bad lucked out and your computer toasted some data. Thanks Jeff. I hope my frustration in all this doesn't sound directed at

Re: [zfs-discuss] Streaming video and audio over CIFS lags.

2008-07-07 Thread Juho Mäkinen
It solved my problems, the difference was really huge. The onboard realtek 8111B chip could do about 40Mt/sec file transfer over CIFS which looked good, but in reality the io speed was very bad: backups to the CIFS share took ages, copying files to using ftp and unzipping files located in the

[zfs-discuss] scrub failing to initialise

2008-07-07 Thread Justin Vassallo
Hi, I've got a zpool made up of 2 mirrored vdevs. For one moment i had a cabling problem and lost all disks... i reconnected and onlined the disks. No resilvering kicked in, so i tried to force a scrub, but nothing's happening. I issue the command and it's as if i never did. Any

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and Caching - write() syscall with O_SYNC

2008-07-07 Thread Patrick Pinchera
IHAC using ZFS in production, and he's opening up some files with the O_SYNC flag. This affects subsequent write()'s by providing synchronized I/O file integrity completion. That is, each write(2) will wait for both the file data and file status to be physically updated. Because of this,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Caching - write() syscall with O_SYNC

2008-07-07 Thread Neil Perrin
Patrick Pinchera wrote: IHAC using ZFS in production, and he's opening up some files with the O_SYNC flag. This affects subsequent write()'s by providing synchronized I/O file integrity completion. That is, each write(2) will wait for both the file data and file status to be physically

[zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Mertol Ozyoney
Hi All ; Is there any hope for deduplication on ZFS ? Mertol http://www.sun.com/ http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif Mertol Ozyoney Storage Practice - Sales Manager Sun Microsystems, TR Istanbul TR Phone +902123352200 Mobile +905339310752 Fax +90212335 Email [EMAIL

[zfs-discuss] Status of ZFS on Solaris 10

2008-07-07 Thread Chris Cosby
We're running Solaris 10 U5 on lots of Sun SPARC hardware. That's ZFS version=4. Simple question: how far behind is this version of ZFS as compared to what is in Nevada? Just point me to the web page, I know it's out there somewhere. -- chris -at- microcozm -dot- net === Si Hoc Legere Scis

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing GUID

2008-07-07 Thread Peter Pickford
Hi Jeff, What I'm trying to do is import many copies of a pool that is cloned on a storage array. ZFS will only import the first disk (there is only one disk in the pool) and any clones have the same pool name and GUID and are ignored. Is there any chance Sun will support external cloned disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Neil Perrin
Mertol, Yes, dedup is certainly on our list and has been actively discussed recently, so there's hope and some forward progress. It would be interesting to see where it fits into our customers priorities for ZFS. We have a long laundry list of projects. In addition there's bug fixes performance

Re: [zfs-discuss] Status of ZFS on Solaris 10

2008-07-07 Thread Enda O'Connor
Hi S10_u5 has version 4, latest in opensolaris is version 10 see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/10/ where n=version http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/n/ so sub 4 for n to see version 4 changes, and so on up to 10. run zpool upgrade ( doesn't actually run an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing GUID

2008-07-07 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Jeff Bonwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How difficult would it be to write some code to change the GUID of a pool? As a recreational hack, not hard at all. ?But I cannot recommend it in good conscience, because if the pool contains more than one disk, the GUID

Re: [zfs-discuss] planning for upgrades

2008-07-07 Thread Arne Schwabe
Matt Harrison schrieb: James C. McPherson wrote: Matt Harrison wrote: I seem to have overlooked the first part of your reply, I can just replace the disks one at a time, and of course the pool would rebuild itself onto the new disk. Would this automatically extend the size of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Charles Soto
A really smart nexus for dedup is right when archiving takes place. For systems like EMC Centera, dedup is basically a byproduct of checksumming. Two files with similar metadata that have the same hash? They're identical. Charles On 7/7/08 4:25 PM, Neil Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Even better would be using the ZFS block checksums (assuming we are only summing the data, not it's position or time :)... Then we could have two files that have 90% the same blocks, and still get some dedup value... ;) Nathan. Charles Soto wrote: A really smart nexus for dedup is right when

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Jonathan Loran
Neil Perrin wrote: Mertol, Yes, dedup is certainly on our list and has been actively discussed recently, so there's hope and some forward progress. It would be interesting to see where it fits into our customers priorities for ZFS. We have a long laundry list of projects. In addition

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Nathan Kroenert wrote: Even better would be using the ZFS block checksums (assuming we are only summing the data, not it's position or time :)... Then we could have two files that have 90% the same blocks, and still get some dedup value... ;) It seems that the hard

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Jonathan Loran wrote: use ZFS is as nearline storage for backup data. I have a 16TB server that provides a file store for an EMC Networker server. I'm seeing a compressratio of 1.73, which is mighty impressive, since we also use native EMC compression during the backups.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:56:26PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: This deduplication technology seems similar to the Microsoft adds I see on TV which advertise how their new technology saves the customer Quantum's claim of 20:1 just doesn't jive in my head, either, for some reason. -brian

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The actual benefit of data deduplication to an enterprise seems negligible unless the backup system directly supports it. ?In the enterprise the cost of storage has more to do with backing up the data than the amount of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Maurice Castro
I second this, provided we also check that the data is in fact identical as well. Checksum collisions are likely given the sizes of disks and the sizes of checksums; and some users actually deliberately generate data with colliding checksums (researchers and nefarious users). Dedup must be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Charles Soto
Good points. I see the archival process as a good candidate for adding dedup because it is essentially doing what a stage/release archiving system already does - faking the existence of data via metadata. Those blocks aren't actually there, but they're still accessible because they're

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Mike Gerdts wrote: As I have considered deduplication for application data I see several things happen in various areas. You have provided an excellent description of gross inefficiencies in the way systems and software are deployed today, resulting in massive

Re: [zfs-discuss] confusion and frustration with zpool

2008-07-07 Thread Bohdan Tashchuk
However, my pool is not behaving well. I have had insufficient replicas for the pool and corrupted data for the mirror piece that is on both the USB drives. I'm learining about ZFS for the same reason, I want a reliable home server. So I've been reading the archives. In March 2007 there was

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Mike Gerdts wrote: There tend to be organizational walls between those that manage storage and those that consume it. As storage is distributed across a network (NFS, iSCSI, FC) things like

Re: [zfs-discuss] confusion and frustration with zpool

2008-07-07 Thread James C. McPherson
Bohdan Tashchuk wrote: However, my pool is not behaving well. I have had insufficient replicas for the pool and corrupted data for the mirror piece that is on both the USB drives. I'm learining about ZFS for the same reason, I want a reliable home server. So I've been reading the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Charles Soto
Oh, I agree. Much of the duplication described is clearly the result of bad design in many of our systems. After all, most of an OS can be served off the network (diskless systems etc.). But much of the dupe I'm talking about is less about not using the most efficient system administration

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Charles Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, while much of the situation is caused by bad data management, there aren't always systems we can employ that prevent it. Done right, dedup can certainly be worth it for my operations. Yes, teaching the user the right

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-07 Thread Tim Spriggs
Does anyone know a tool that can look over a dataset and give duplication statistics? I'm not looking for something incredibly efficient but I'd like to know how much it would actually benefit our dataset: HiRISE has a large set of spacecraft data (images) that could potentially have large