you want a line-break you
will mostly do a Shift+Enter.
is a paragraph and a poem can consist of multiple paragraphs, called
verses. The discussion might be about small matters, but i feel
looks more like it fits breaking a poem into verses.
Another idea might be using an list ins
Tee G. Peng wrote:
On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry
p two different
templates for displaying poems. One allowed for line breaks (so lines would
break correctly), and the other one used to preserve formatting for
poems where the shape of the text was important.
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For poems and addresses, wouldn't the element be OK as well?
Particularly for poems where the use of space both before and after is
important?
so:
123 George Street,
Sydney NSW 2000
Australia
?
Kat
On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help
folks on the li
I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems
no one has made what seems to be the most obvious suggestion. When I was
still in class we had an exercise with a poem and used an unordered
list. Would this be a viable option? You could even have a different
list for
te bullet
etc'
Elizabeth
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I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but
ussion might be about small matters, but i
feel looks more like it fits breaking a poem into verses.
One can observe some discussion about how to markup poems and alike on
the HTML 5 lists, and so far "series of paragraphs with line-breaks
() as appropriate and spans for additional stylin
This is, I guess, one of the first times I've written anything here,
but I've run into a bit of a dilemma and was hoping for some advice:
1. I have a number of analyses of poems I am planning on posting to
my weblog over the next few months, however, I'm a bit stumped as to
wha
True.
I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems
though. Not checked if WG are doing anything in HTML 5 - i think they are.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Michael Cordover <
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> I would suggest that this is . Poetry is gen
WSG] Marking Up Poems
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to
use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is perfect for this
case.
Whats your views o
On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
On 3/29/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry? I haven't started
ly and more temperate
> bullet
> etc'
>
> Elizabeth
>
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Just another resource for those interested:
http://signified.com.au/a-poem-element-for-html5/
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:53 AM, James Jeffery <
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> True.
>
> I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems
> though. Not check
Also forgot to mention, it isn't just poems that could use this method but
also lyric websites. I totally forgot to check how they mark up songs.
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> [EMA
Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;)
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not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party
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> Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page.
Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :)
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A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not?
I'd probably be throwing in a cite attribute too :-)
http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/blockquote/cite
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>> Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page.
> Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :)
Don't you mean:
Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :)
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not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party
Is that why what you say most often makes no sense?
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Make sure all your code rhymes. :)
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Kwok Ting Lee wrote:
> This is, I guess, one of the first times I've written anything here,
> but I've run into a bit of a dilemma and was hoping for some advice:
>
> 1. I have a number of analyses of poems I am planning on posting to
> my weblog over the next few m
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use
P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is perfect for this
case.
Whats your views on this, anyone actually did it before?
Hello,
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help
folks on the list, I could that and post the links.
Thanks in advan
Are there any discussions or examples
on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry?
If you're simply looking for line breaks where they belong, use
[1]. If you're including poems where whitespace plays a bigger
role[2], use .
[1] until xhtml2, with its element (which i reallly
Andrew Harris wrote:
A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not?
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page.
P
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Most common uses of can and should be replaced by CSS, as
they're presentational. Some examples of semantic use of are to
seperate lines of a poem, lines of an address, etc. In these cases
(especially poems), the line break is important to the content itself,
not just how you would like
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:50:09 -0400, Jeremy Boggs wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there any
> discussions or
> examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I haven't started
> doing
> markup yet, but if
ey pause or say "new line"? I think, when all is
said and done though that does seem better for poetry.Actually, I think I learned in poetry class that most poems are meant to be read continuously. In some poems line breaks matter, but it would be up to the screen readers to ensure that th
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 08:56 -0400, John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:
> Kwok Ting Lee wrote:
> > This is, I guess, one of the first times I've written anything here,
> > but I've run into a bit of a dilemma and was hoping for some advice:
> >
> > 1. I have a numb
been sung swiftly to
fit within one proper beat), 5 characters, and 7 characters; and no weird
indentations like we encounter in English poetry. I haven't examined the
entire corpus, so I may be missing some of the more esoteric forms, but that's
my general observation of around 80 o
Matijs wrote:
I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is
one of the few occasions where a would be appropriate. The verses
would be paragraphs of course.
I did this a while back on a site for an author. I decided it was the
best compromise between practicallity,
I would suggest that this is . Poetry is generally so
display-specific that you couldn't hope to mark it up, I'd say.
Michael
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 19:08, James Jeffery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
>
> I looked into it but found n
paragraph. They don't want to read poems as lists. And both often
use the paragraph level to read poems to better enjoy them. Paragraph
by line, they both noted would make it too choppy if using the paragraph
level to read the poem.
So, I'd use the paragraph code at the front of the verse,
ugh that does seem better
for poetry.
Actually, I think I learned in poetry class that most poems are meant
to be read continuously. In some poems line breaks matter, but it would be up to
the screen readers to ensure that the structure of a poem was not lost to the
listener. If you tried to sty
quot;I am therefore
you are
In the present
Of the present
we are."
- GURANU ANJALI
Rtu: Meditation Poems (Amityville, N.Y.: Vajra Printing and Publishing, abridged ed 1995) p.97.
On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote:
On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote:
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was
to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is
perfe
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Matijs wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is one
>> of the few occasions where a would be appropriate. The verses would be
>> paragraphs of course
>>
>
>I did this a while back
On 6/23/08, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From all the replies I have read through and from all the articles I have
> read up on, this is probably the best solution I came across.
>
> I would wrap the whole poem w
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help
folks on the list, I could that and post the links.
As is usually the case, the b
you get the poems with lines that are required to start under a
specific word in the previous line have had to make use of a lot of
non-breaking spaces to do that, and again it can¹t be precise.
- susie
On 20/6/08 2:42 AM, "jody tate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I&#x
paragraph. They don’t want to read poems as lists.
And both often use the paragraph level to read poems to better enjoy
them. Paragraph by line, they both noted would make it too choppy
if using the paragraph level to read the poem.
So, I’d use the paragraph code at the front of the verse
Poetry is art and its really ugly to even try to mark it correctly.
There must be something that would work though and i have actually
tried with a really bad result.. http://kevinmcgeary.com/essay.html
With inherit and ems mixed with p there must be a way also where
beginning letter would be re
> A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
It depends on the form, really. For most poetry, I think paragraphs with
line breaks are appropriate. If the poem requires very specific positioning,
pre would be the first option as that doesn't rely on CSS. Finally if all
else fai
hat I completely got the
wrong conversation. I thought for some reason that this was in reply
to the "[WSG] Marking Up Poems" discussion, and that it was in defense
of not following standards. Crikey...
Profuse apologies! I obviously haven't had enough coffee this
morning.
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Thank you Christian and Kenny,
Just one clarification,
Kenny Wrote "In these cases
(especially poems), the line break is important to the content itself,
not just how you would like it to be displayed."
so everything can be argued to be correct semantical use of the -tag, if
we c
On 3/30/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry? I haven't started doing markup yet, but if it would help
folks on the list, I cou
aid and done though that does seem better for poetry.
Actually, I think I learned in poetry class that most poems are meant
to be read continuously. In some poems line breaks matter, but it would
be up to the screen readers to ensure that the structure of a poem was
not lost to the listener. If y
e, Verse and Drama:
http://www.tei-c.org/Lite/U5-body.html#vedr
In actual practice, if you are just encoding a couple poems, then I think
that the simple use of either or + as suggested by others
makes more sense.
Phil.
*
Very good!
But I have to say they all sound the same. Did anyone spot any differences?
I think there may have been a difference in the second one but can't be
sure.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Jon Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote:
>
>
> On 19 Jun 20
ised that I completely got the wrong
> conversation. I thought for some reason that this was in reply to the "[WSG]
> Marking Up Poems" discussion, and that it was in defense of not following
> standards. Crikey...
>
> Profuse apologies! I obvious
f the text into hierarchical chunks as does. This
is most frequently seen in novels and poems where you will see
separators rendered for instance as three little stars:
*
* *
or some such device. It avoids having to add levels of depths in the
structuration of yo
On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote:
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'.
I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was
to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is
perfect for this case.
Whats your views on thi
me developers. If they don't want to change code, they
say it will break W3C standards.
Sorry, I just re-read this and realised that I completely got the
wrong conversation. I thought for some reason that this was in
reply to the "[WSG] Marking Up Poems" discussion, and that it was
r
they're a part of the presentation, based on the traditional way of
presenting poems of this nature on paper...so they'd belong purely in
the CSS and not in the markup (even if it's only a few space characters).
In the absence of a "line" element in xhtml (like the one prop
I'd stress what Jon Tan wrote: "My recommendation would be for
stanzas and line breaks for most verse." Stanzas are usually
taught as the paragraph of poetry and verses are referred to as line
breaks.
Side note you're free to ignore: I'd argue most of the historical bits
below are inco
On 3/30/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry?
Poetry is one of the few times when it's semantically correct to use
,
-in for the Chinese fonts (presumably anyone who does that will
have the fonts installed on their system).
B. Storing the Chinese text (poems and prose excerpts) in a separate
file and linking to it from the translated version.
Or C: Make an optional graphic for the Chinese text and link to it,
so that
gt; Uh - is there any reason not to use ?
>
> Charles Eaton wrote:
> > I'll second that with the css code of "white-space"
>
> Well, I wouldn't say the spaces are part of the content, but rather
> they're a part of the presentation, based on the traditio
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