Investing 9k EUR right now, how many hours would actually be saved when moving from mray? :) It is big investment but down the road from what I saw so far.. Arnold gives back soon everything invested and then so more. Same on Redshift field... Rendering for SI was pretty much nightmare and now with Arnold and Redshift it is completely different feeling.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de> wrote: > It would be nice to see the next-gen Softmayahybrid leaning towards > something like VRay. > > It is also mature and available for all 3 DCC apps, too. > > Pretty much all jobs I had the last two, three years were VRay based. > > Maybe a random Arnold job but really, regardless of DCC app, usually VRay > as the renderer. > > Here at home, I am very happy with Redshift3D and would love to see them > prosper > but they aren´t in a 3DSMax branch of development, yet. > > For the sake of this rant, I can´t therefore suggest Arnold or Redshift3d > as alternatives. > One would want to differ a lot between those two anyway, in my personal > preference > I´d lean towards Redshift3D but that´s because I also like those guys and > the renderer fits > my needs perfectly. I don´t do a FX TD kind of stuff. I model things and > paint them until > they start to look nice in let´s say a turntable. Arnold would suit me > just as fine. As would Vray. > > It´s just that mR costs me so much time getting a half decent results. > Vray/Redshift3D pay for themselves... > > I´m only using mR because I need versatile, accessible stand-alone assets > with their maps in place. > > I wouldn´t want to touch mR with a stick anymore otherwise. > > tim > > > > > > On 06.01.2014 13:34, Sven Constable wrote: > >> Maybe true but one thing to keep in mind is you don't have to spend extra >> money for mental ray (at least no significant amount). For one man shows >> like me mr is still useful. I use it on a small farm with 8 nodes plus the >> workstation. Switching to arnold will cost me 9000€ . Thats roughly the >> same cost that my whole DCC apps are about. I see mr like I see the >> FXTree...it's does not compete to nuke but it's integrated in soft and >> already there. I agree that there aren't any reasons to stay with mr >> except the the expense factor and legacy things. >> >> sven >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ >> listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Leydecker >> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:12 PM >> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year >> >> Now while we are at it. >> >> I´m currently preparing assets that need to be free of 3rd party >> functionality. >> >> This means I have to set them up with a mR shading network to start folks >> off with. >> >> mental ray. The common thing between 3DSMax, Maya and Softimage. >> >> Please. >> >> Kill it. >> >> It´s not getting anyone anywhere anymore. I don´t want to discuss details >> or legacy reasons. >> >> Kill it. It´s over. It won´t come back. >> >> Selling three different DCC apps that actually share the fact that you >> will first have to invest in a 3rd party renderer to get something looking >> half way decent out of them can´t be the most ideal situation but a pretty >> nice way of creating an industry standard of wasting people´s life with >> forcing them in personal overtime. >> >> What a crap. >> >> Really. >> >> Provide a renderer that actually works as advertised. Or don´t make me >> pay for that mR crap. >> >> >> tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06.01.2014 11:38, Graham Bell wrote: >> >>> Ah, the Dreamcast, a fine console but flawed form the beginning. The >>> tech was ok, but really just a pc and essentially the predecessor to the >>> Xbox. >>> The problem with the Dreamcast was that it launched right in the middle >>> of when a lot of developers were looking to retool for the PS2. People were >>> caught in the middle of whether to go short for the Dreamcast, or go long >>> for the PS2. Most went with the PS2 and then eventually the Xbox. >>> >>> On the Soft and Maya usability front, personally I don't mind both, but >>> then I've always been used to jumping between the two, even back in the >>> Power Animator and Soft3d days. >>> I've often heard that Maya is hard to learn, or its UI is tricky, but I >>> think this is one of those myths. It's really no better, or worse than any >>> other package to learn really. The one thing to remember about Maya, is >>> that it's very open, it was designed that way. So there can be different >>> (some would say to many) ways to do the same thing. Also, Maya has a lot of >>> preferences, so you can actually change many things, including the UI. It's >>> mastering those things, that can often be the trick. I still see people >>> now, some experienced Maya vets, who aren't using the hotbox or marking >>> menus correctly and they can be key to Maya's UI and usability. >>> >>> However I'd still like some Softimage fairy dust sprinkled on some of >>> Maya's UI though. Now when it comes to Max, don't get me >>> started.......:-) >>> >>> >>> >>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com >>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Dan >>> Yargici >>> Sent: 06 January 2014 09:44 >>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year >>> >>> Softimage is the Dreamcast of DCC apps. >>> >>> Playstation had the slick marketing, Dreamcast had the tech but got >>> chewed to pieces by the Playstation hype machine and Playstation won. When >>> Sega finally gave up on the console business every man and his dog came out >>> singing the praises of the Dreamcast. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Stefan Kubicek <s...@tidbit-images.com >>> <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>> wrote: >>> Is it just my biased point of view that all studios that closed or filed >>> for bancruptcy last year were Maya based? >>> It could of course be that there are more Maya based studios closing >>> than Softimage based ones simply because there are more Maya based studios, >>> but I still smell a pattern there. >>> >>> I always felt that the number of users on Softimage is directly related >>> to marketing efforts. I remember Alias/Wavefront doing a remarkable job in >>> the early days of Maya in this regard. I never saw anything like that >>> happening for Softimage at any time of it's existence. >>> Ultimately, there are only two types of 3D artists: those who use >>> Softimage, and those who have never tried. -> Get more prople to seriously >>> try it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So guys, I spent a weekend working with Maya...HOW THE F@CK THIS >>> PROGRAM IS USED IN PRODUCTION????????? >>> >>> >>> This is the same question I always ask myself after using Maya when >>> required... and Maya being the "Industry Standard" makes you understand so >>> many things about the industry standards... >>> >>> [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] >>> >>> 2014/1/6 Szabolcs Matefy >>> <szabol...@crytek.com<mailto:szabol...@crytek.com>> >>> So guys, I spent a weekend working with Maya...HOW THE F@CK THIS >>> PROGRAM IS USED IN PRODUCTION????????? >>> >>> Ok, I can use Maya, I have a quite solid background working with Maya, >>> but seriously guys...It's so overcomplicated, and brainkilling...In >>> Softimage almost everything is just fine (OK, we need development), >>> but in Maya, the easiest task takes quite long compared to >>> SI...Finally I found myself fixing UVs, Unfolding, etc. in >>> Softimage...Anyway, I need some samples in Maya, so I take a big >>> breath, and continue working with Maya...But seriously, Softimage is >>> way better in many point of view. It has no artisan, has no PaintFX, >>> but for example rendering is way faster (with MR), shading setup is >>> way faster, modeling is lot faster, and so on. So I really don't >>> understand, how come that Softimage is not acknowledged at all. I >>> swear guys, that I'll spread the Word of Softimage >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Szabolcs >>> >>> From: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-bounces@listp >>> roc.autodesk.com> >>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-bounc >>> e...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Henry Katz >>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 8:18 PM >>> To: >>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year >>> >>> Good thing I asked. >>> >>> On 01/04/2014 05:40 PM, Stephen Blair wrote: >>> Softimage doesn't support Python 3.x >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Henry Katz <hk-v...@iscs-i.com<mailto: >>> hk-v...@iscs-i.com>> wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> No issues with python 3.3 as well, before I bruise my knuckles on the >>> bleeding edge? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry >>> On 01/03/2014 02:47 AM, Steven Caron wrote: >>> really? >>> >>> install pyqt >>> set softimage to use system python, uncheck... >>> file>preferences>scripting>use python installed with softimage run the >>> example scripts pyqtforsoftimage plugin provides. or just 'import PyQt4' >>> >>> s >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Angus Davidson < >>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: >>> A non nonsense guide to installing pYQT would be great. So many great >>> tools are never used because people cant get past trying to get the install >>> to work. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> Stefan Kubicek >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> keyvis digital imagery >>> Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 >>> A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien >>> Phone: +43/699/12614231<tel:%2B43%2F699%2F12614231> >>> www.keyvis.at<http://www.keyvis.at> >>> ste...@keyvis.at<mailto:ste...@keyvis.at> >>> -- This email and its attachments are -- --confidential and for the >>> recipient only-- >>> >>> >> >> >>
