Todd- Early on in my ivestigation of biodiesel (relative to the total time I have spent) I checked with the municipality here and found that they are exempt from state and federal fuel taxes. Same for schools. My question here is if a municipality would be required to register thier fuel if they produce it themselves and use it to operate their own equipment? I make the assumption that apart from the chemical inputs, there will be no hazardous by-products. If chemicals which may be obtained on the open market are properly handled, what other concern does the EPA have in this matter?
Bill C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] First stage foolproof method > Bill, > > There is nothing to stop anyone from producing their own fuel for > their own off-road use, save for local ordinances that may apply. > And there may not be anything stopping anyone from producing > their own fuel for their own personal on road use, save for the > IRS and state taxation departments relative to collection of road > taxes and the EPA relative to registration of the fuel - > presuming they made the effort to be intentional pains in the > arse on the matter. > > But the moment a commercial manufacturer produces the first drop > for use in commerce (road legal fuel), they have to buy access to > Health Affects data, either by paying NBB fees, conducting their > own studies or partnering with an entity that already has legal > access to the data. > > That's pretty much the end of the story at the moment. And pretty > much what scotches it for many people who would ordinarily move > into higher volumes of manufacture within their own communities. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First stage foolproof method > > > > Todd- I don't know exactly what EPA and soybean councils have > put on paper. > > I would be interested in seeing what legislation or rules > apply. Would > > appreciate directions to access that info (if available). One > loophole I > > hope to exploit may be that I am proposing that entities refine > their own > > fuel, not produce commercially. > > > > Bill C. > > > > .----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First stage foolproof method > > > > > > > That's rather a hopeful thought...that an Audobon/NBB board > > > member could persuade the EPA and the soybean councils to > make a > > > loophole in the matrimonial papers they formulated in order > to > > > accomodate micro-regional manufacture. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong. It would be wonderful if they would. But > that > > > certainly hasn't been the stance of either up to this point. > And > > > it's rather difficult to imagine that they could even if they > > > wanted to, as the general rule in this country is "equal > > > protection under the law." > > > > > > Which also means equal enforcement, prosecution and > > > persecution.... meaning that the rules are to be applied > equally > > > to everyone and that exceptions are perceived as the > proverbial > > > pox - no matter how beneficial they prove. > > > > > > One can always hope. But if I were you, I would be > formulating a > > > backup plan well before I put all my eggs in that basket. > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: William Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First stage foolproof method > > > > > > > > > > Ken & others- First I would like to thank all of you for > your > > > help & your > > > > prompt replies. I thought it might be useful for me to > describe > > > what I have > > > > in mind. > > > > > > > > One of the missions we would like to undertake is to > > > demonstrate the > > > > effectiveness of biodiesel as a fuel to the local community > and > > > government. > > > > The quality of my fuel is important. While energy > (electricity) > > > is cheap > > > > here, cost is very important, hence my desire to use solar > as a > > > heat source > > > > when practical. I believe that WVO can be preheated in a > pcv > > > pipe grid using > > > > the sun. When painted black it is less suseptible to UV. > Not > > > along term > > > > solution but will do for now. > > > > > > > > After we are comfortable with our process, we intend to > > > convince the City of > > > > Eufaula to have the Recycling Dept. collect all WVO > produced > > > locally (not > > > > currently doing this) and produce their own clean fuel. I > know > > > other cities > > > > in USA are producing biodiesel but none as small as us > > > (15,000). Most > > > > biodiesel info I have seen is geared either to large > capacity > > > production or > > > > individual and farm production. Once we have coverted our > own > > > city, we will > > > > try to convince other small communties in Alabama and > > > eventually the South > > > > East to do the same. > > > > > > > > Somebody recently made referrence to the EPA and their > > > discouragement of > > > > small biodiesel prodution in an e-mail on this list. I am > > > unfamiliar with > > > > this but don't doubt it. Ron Dodson (neat guy and a very > > > creative thinker) > > > > is the head of Audubon International. That is the group we > are > > > doing this > > > > with. Ron also sits on the National Biodiesel Board. We can > > > probably get > > > > some support for this idea through him. > > > > > > > > Bill C. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:43 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First stage foolproof method > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Next question. What problems might I encounter using > > > > > >anhydrous ethanol as opposed to methanol as a reactant > > > > > >in this process? > > > > > > > > > > I believe the first step involves mostly esterification > but > > > also > > > > > some transesterification. I don't know how much you're > > > > > relying on the glycerine to fall out of the reaction, but > it > > > > > won't leave the solution as readily or as completely when > > > > > ethanol is used. Also, you have to use more ethanol, > > > > > of course, since the molecular weight is greater than for > > > > > methanol (ratio 46 to 32). If you want to continue with > > > > > ethanol in the 2nd step, which is PURELY > transesterification, > > > > > the problem with the glycerine failing to separate from > > > > > the biodiesel can become quite bothersome, particularly > > > > > with any water in there, or free fatty acids above 1%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to > the > > > list address. > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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