Doug, I am an American and I agree with you. We have the power and resources to bring peace and harmony to the world but the people in power use it to gain more power. I have made mission trips to Haiti and it sickens me that the world stands by and watches as this poor country struggles for survival at the cost of the Innocent. I believe if they had oil there would be no question about intervening to stop the killing. This is probably true about many third world countries. Ted
doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like the Biofuels list BECAUSE it has comments from all sides of the political spectrum. I am an Australian, and consider that of late, the Americans have become bullies: if you do not do as we say, we have the power to force you. Often this power is not the Armament might, but the voices from the American controlled Multi-national companies. Many of these companies have enough access to money, to be more powerful than many smaller countries. This power is used in insidious ways in weaker countries, to enable these companies to make more money at the plight of the poor. Unfortunately, America is not the only country that does this, as European nations, & even some Asian nations also exploit. America, however, seems to be the flagship, being vocal & aggressive, so America seems to be the country that repressed peoples rally against most. The US stance in the middle east, where the US ignores the fact that Israel has atomic WMD, but attacks others that it accuses of having WMD, but do not! If America was fair & Just, it would help the Jews & Arabs sort their differences, come to an equitable solution, & disarm Israel before the Middle East blows up into another World War. All I want is a fair & equitable system in the world where every person can live in peace & harmony, no matter what religion. (Step off soapbox) Doug PS: I do not consider this email as being anti-US, as I am not. However I think that the US as a Christian Nation, should be more Christian in nature! (I am pointing at the system, not the individuals.) On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:24 am, Walt Patrick wrote: > At 04:50 AM 2/25/04 +0900, Keith wrote: > >> Politicians, right and left, lie. That's hardly news, and > >>hardly likely to > >>change unless conditions render them irrelevant. That's why I'm here on > >>this list, to glean information which might help further that goal. It's > >>becoming quite evident that other would rather pursue their paritsan > >> agenda regardless of how many people it drives off-list. > > > >I'd like you to amplify that please. Please be specific, you've > >intimated something like this previously - who and what exactly are > >you talking about? And why do you think people are been driven > >off-list? Which people? > > Are you sure I'm the one you're thinking of? I believe that this is the > first time I've raised the issue, but others have heretofore protested the > abuse of the list and been essentially told point blank to shut up or > leave. > > I can assure you that I've thought about unsubscribing more than once in > the last few weeks due to the level of partisan hatred that's dominated the > list of late. I come here to learn about biofuel, not to hear rants from > folks who hate Bush but somehow fail to remember the thirty to forty > thousand men, women and children who were infected with HIV and Hep-C by > tainted blood drawn from Arkansas prisons and illegally sold in Canada in > order to fund Clinton's run for the White House. > > I can't conceive how anyone could not be totally outraged over that. > > >I think you're falling into your own trap of seeing things according > >to a partisan agenda, but in a different, much broader, and much more > >important sense, that goes much further than the national concerns of > >some among the minority American contingent here. "Us" and "them", > >and you're not considering "them", but "them" is the majority here, > >non-Americans of every ilk. You think your election only concerns > >Americans? > > It's not my election. I'm not a citizen. > > >The actions of your current administration > > See above comment. > > >have been the > >cause of the biggest protests worldwide and the most vocal and united > >opposition the world has ever seen, by a very long way, quite > >unprecedented. > > Not according to my reading of history, but even if it were true, I'm > not > particularly impressed by volume and quantity. > > >You think it has nothing to do with biofuels and > >localising power sources? If so you're not thinking very clearly. > > Please don't mistake my focused interest in biofuel for a lack of > interest > in other matters, but meaning no offense, there are other lists which cover > those topics with less vitriol and more insight than I've seen displayed > here. > > >Now please tell us just who and what you're pointing the finger at. > > Since you asked ..... > > You're the list owner, so I guess that would be you. I would invite you > to > give some thought to just what mission you want this list to serve, and > whether you want to impose a requirement that in order to participate folk > most be (1) interested in the development of biofuels and (2) hate Bush's > guts. > > I believe that there are lots of people who can advance the first > criteria > without having to pass the litmus test of the second. > > As list owner, you can do what you want, but it's important to ask > yourself whether you bear something of a host's obligation to insure that > any guest who comes to your list and posts in good faith is treated with > civility. > > I'm not a troll. I've posted numerous times about issues having to do > with > the synthesis of methanol, a process which we're steadily working towards > bringing on line here. I'm also not partisan; I don't care who wins and my > personal feeling is that it's a damn shame they can't both lose. > > Talk which focuses on how the current administration is affecting > biofuel > issues is certainly a good topic of discussion for this list, but the list > has of late gone way beyond that. When the ugliness gets so deep in here > that even neutral fellow travelers are being attacked as enemies, it's time > to do some soul searching. > > Perhaps you feel that this Bush-bashing truly does advance the cause of > biofuels. I don't, and would really like to see the bandwidth focused more > on biofuels. > > Ultimately, it's your list, and it's your call. > > Walt > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! 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