Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth are a problem. They often don't do their homework properly and like to have something dramatic to say. UK FOE has trotted out similar rubbish in the UK press, but try contacting the people responsible - you'll never get a reply.
Many of their members simply don't like internal combustion or modern technology and would have us go back to subsistence living. They conveniently forget that world famine would be even worse without modern technology however imperfectly it's distributed. They also drive petrol cars and live in energy guzzling houses, but they use unleaded and have fitted draught excluders so that's OK. I believe they were a large part of why UK only got a 20p excise tax reduction rather than 30p which would have allowed farmers to grow "industrial" oilseeds. The treasury only needed one excuse to minimise the tax cut. Rape seed pollen was just the ticket. The fact that there are many other oil crops we could use and that most people suffer more from grass pollen was conveniently ignored. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Samai Jaiin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith, > The sooner you write the better ! the 'biodiesel' > movement here is in danger of misinformation. One > academic even suggested that the cost would be twice > that of petrodiesel (HSDO=14Baht/L crude palm oil = > 11.50 Baht/litre, coconut oil = 11 B/litre ) I need > someone like you to come out and explain that > converting those oil into biodiesel(the ester) would > not increase the price by 100%! > Furthermore, there are still a lot of confusion about > veg. oil especially the medium chain C12:0 lauric acid > (coconut) and palm kernel (C14:0)that it will cause > catastrophic failures in engines ! The ambient temp. > here is very high, almost always much higher than 20 > deg.c. on most days and the engine room of a ferry is > as high as 40-50deg.C. I myself tried them on > agricultural engines(10-15PS at 1500 rpm) and ship > engines (2800 PS at 600 RPM and some of my friends are > using the coconut oil blended with kerosene (to lower > its dynamic viscosity by half) on their trucks for > more than 70,000 kms and they have been able to get > round the problem of oil dilution/ deposits/ > atomization etc. by adding a heating unit to the fuel > line. The ships also employ fuel oil heaters onboard > as they have been using fuel oil before. > I agree that the transesterification is the way > forward to quieten down all the objections and provide > a good platform for future development of the industry > here. > Samai > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Thanks Camillo, > > >Well, there are lots of people who would not > > believe > > >that 'biodiesel'-the ester form of it- is viable > > >technically, economically nor from the > > environmental > > >side of it ! and they are not convinced that this > > is a > > >growing trend in the EU where environmental > > standards > > >and awareness are much higher than here. > > > > Hello Samai > > > > Who are these people? How would one best go about > > presenting them > > with some evidence? I was thinking of writing > > something for the > > Bangkok Post (I've written for them before), though > > I don't quite > > know when I could manage it. I see that even > > Greenpeace Thailand > > seems to think that a palm oil-petrodiesel mix is > > "biodiesel". > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith Addison > > > > >I have the > > >experience of using both the veg.oil as well as the > > >COME/POME and have to take a stance opposite of > > those > > >people! A fleet of ferry is now operating on > > coconut > > >oil as a replacement for bunker oil ! just imagine > > the > > >soot reduction we gain there, and we have a few > > people > > >who make the ester from palm/coconut oils and have > > >been using them on pickup trucks and lorries. > > Still, > > >some would say that is still not adequate nor > > >credible. We will fight on despite those comments, > > and > > >so that we can make a good name for 'biodiesel'. > > >Perhaps you could explain further that both palm > > >oil/coconut oils are of medium chain length and > > that > > >the polymerization is much less severe than the > > >rapesol ? > > >Samai > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
