> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:37:35 -0500 > From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is > There Blame? > To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a > fellow human being. > Put yourself in their place for a second (empathy). > They are pleading > for help even though you think they might not > deserve it (have mercy). > That's what drew me to this list in the first place; > sharing information > freely to help each other. We generate a synergy of > ideas here greater > than any one person. If my reactor catches fire > because I made a stupid > mistake, should I be dropped from the list? What I > feel when I read your > posts doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry. > I also find it hard to critisize someone for not planning contigency meals (or more) in case of an emergency when they may have a tough time planning or providing the very meal they'll eat tonight. As it's been said, it's hard to go when you have no means to go, so you're stuck. It's horrible and I can only imagine that fealing of helplessness. That being said, I find it hard to catagorize all the "victims" as victims. There is something to be said for the idea that most have chosen that's where they'll live rather then being forced by virtue of economics or other. It's been said more then a few times in the list on this subject how questionable it is to live below sea level next to the sea... and in a known hurricane area to boot. Past that, I think it's quite reasonable, and should be encouraged, to present contigencies or various ideas in this group. I suspect that many of the affected by this storm will not approach life in the same way just as do many who survive a disaster of this sort. Then again, many just rebuild and continue as they were and hope it doesn't happen again, complacent per the norm. I commend Greg for trying to be prepared and looking after the wellfare of himself and his family. I suspect that he's shared his views of survival with others, others that may well be saved by such advice. It's only too bad such a voice hadn't been heard by more of the affected. Either way, whether by their own fault or not, my heart goes out to the many who are suffering over loss of home, life, certainty. I'd like to wish that a storm like this will never happen again, but we all know it will... somewhere, sometime.
> > Regards, > Emil > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Greg and > April > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is > There Blame? > > Yes. > > If people live in an area, they should learn of > dangerous natural > occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal > waves, blizzards and > the > like ), and make preparations for them. > > Like I said in another post: > > "I have no issue with those that TRIED to do > something to help them > selves > and still got into trouble. > > BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( > despite all the > warnings ) to help them selves then expect the > government and everyone > else > to drop what their doing and save them, because they > would rather buy a > case > of beer, than a bus ticket.". > > Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that > they may only have 5 > min > warning to get to higher ground, and may lose > everything they should not > live below a dam. > > If people are going to fly, they need to take it > upon them selves to > find > out what kind of aircraft they are going to be > flying on and find out if > that model of aircraft has a good history of flight > safety, and then > take > the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes > the one in a > million > chance actualy happens. > > If one looks at the past one can see that a given > area is subject to > hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. > > If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the > fact that you have > a > chance of getting flooded. If you live within 50 > ft of sea level near > a > coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well > reach you. > > Empathy? My empathy is for the kids that couldn't > leave because of > ignorant parents and for the people that tried and > still failed. Not > for > someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 > gal bucket of water > that > could save their life. > > 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and > cost about the same as > a > case of beer. > > If people would pay attention when the experts tell > them not to expect > help > after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be > allot better off > putting > the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink > that stupid beer. > With > a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor > are they hard to > put > together, I have put several together for my family. > > If I had to leave the house: > I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going > for 24 hrs. > With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 > hrs, with some > shelter. > With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going > for more than 2 weeks > in > some comfort. > With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of > friends and my 2 > sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out > any other assistance. > > If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 > month in the winter, > and > 4+ months in the summer. > > I do not live in a flood plain. > > I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any > liquid fuel, and a > fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a > little wood stove I > could > install in a day or so ), to cook food. > > I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe > room in the basement. > > I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus > enough containers > for > another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting > the 55 gal water > heater ). > > I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going > for a week strait. > > I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of > axes, a maul and > some > splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( > done it several > times > when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). > > I'll say it now: > > If anyone on this list, would like help putting > together a 72 hr kit, I > would be more than happy to give any help I can! > > In part it's a little like learning to make > BioDiesel because the > DinoDiesel > is running out. > > Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put > one together, during > an > emergency, so do it before it occurs. > > Greg H. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
