There is no call to go making fun of my reactor. They were small fires and easily controlled. The important thing is that I learned not to make a BioDiesel reactor from straw, so I built it with wood the next time. Now I am building the reactor from brick, and have expectation of success. I will share the plans with the list. Please disregard the previous plans I posted, as they have been proven unworkable.
-Mike > > If a guy down the street designed a reactor, and it caught fire. > > 2 months later he builds it again, and it catches fire again. > > Who is at fault? > > A different person hearing about biodiesel decides to build the same type > of > reactor, despite hearing about the fires, and that one catches fire. > Who > would be at fault? > > A third person finds out about BioDiesel and builds this reactor design, > and it catches fire. Who is at fault? > > And a 4th person and a 5th person and so on, and most of the times the > reactor designs catch fire. Who is at fault for the fires? > > Ok now it is common knowledge that this reactor design is likely to catch > fires sooner or later. > > What about if after the fires, you built the same design, despite being > warned many times that this is a dangerous design? > Who's fault would it be, that your reactor caught fire and burned down > your > house, and your wife or kid ended up with 2nd degree burns because of it? > How do you think the people that warned you would feel, that they warned > you, but, you failed to listen? Would they feel sorrier for you that > your > reactor burned down or sorrier for the person that ended up with the 2 > degree burn? I think so. > > How would you feel, if you know a person was warned that a reactor design > was dangerous, many times, before they built it, and they still built it? > What about after the reactor burned down and someone was injured or killed > because the warnings were not heeded? Sure, you would feel bad, that it > happened, but, you would also be angry, because the hurt and the pain need > not have been as severe if some precautions were taken. > > I hurt, that it happened, but, in many ways I am extremely angry with the > situation, because I know, without any doubt, that it need not have been > that bad ( or be as bad as it is ) had more people been prepared, or taken > more steps to be prepared for the worst. Not just with individuals, > but, > with the city of New Orleans, for it sure does not look like they had any > comprehensive disaster plan. And if anybody should have had a plan in > place to deal with a worst case scenario, they should have. The state > is > just as guilty, they knew how bad it could get for years, heck I knew for > 15 > years that this could happen, so did many other, and the warnings were out > there. Unfortunately it always starts with the individuals, because, it > almost always takes at least 72 hrs to really get people and supplies > moving > to those that needs it. > > What am I doing about it? > > It doesn't matter, because someone could claim I'm making it up, and how > would I prove a negative wrong? > > Greg H. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:37 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > > >> You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a fellow human being. >> Put yourself in their place for a second (empathy). They are pleading >> for help even though you think they might not deserve it (have mercy). >> That's what drew me to this list in the first place; sharing information >> freely to help each other. We generate a synergy of ideas here greater >> than any one person. If my reactor catches fire because I made a stupid >> mistake, should I be dropped from the list? What I feel when I read your >> posts doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry. >> >> Regards, >> Emil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and >> April >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM >> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? >> >> Yes. >> >> If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural >> occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and >> the >> like ), and make preparations for them. >> >> Like I said in another post: >> >> "I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them >> selves >> and still got into trouble. >> >> BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the >> warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone >> else >> to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a >> case >> of beer, than a bus ticket.". >> >> Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 >> min >> warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not >> live below a dam. >> >> If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to >> find >> out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if >> that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then >> take >> the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a >> million >> chance actualy happens. >> >> If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to >> hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. >> >> If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have >> a >> chance of getting flooded. If you live within 50 ft of sea level near >> a >> coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. >> >> Empathy? My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of >> ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed. Not >> for >> someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water >> that >> could save their life. >> >> 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as >> a >> case of beer. >> >> If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect >> help >> after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off >> putting >> the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer. >> With >> a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to >> put >> together, I have put several together for my family. >> >> If I had to leave the house: >> I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs. >> With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some >> shelter. >> With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks >> in >> some comfort. >> With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and my 2 >> sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other assistance. >> >> If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month in the winter, >> and >> 4+ months in the summer. >> >> I do not live in a flood plain. >> >> I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any liquid fuel, and a >> fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a little wood stove I >> could >> install in a day or so ), to cook food. >> >> I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the basement. >> >> I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough containers >> for >> another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the 55 gal water >> heater ). >> >> I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going for a week strait. >> >> I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of axes, a maul and >> some >> splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( done it several >> times >> when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). >> >> I'll say it now: >> >> If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I >> would be more than happy to give any help I can! >> >> In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the >> DinoDiesel >> is running out. >> >> Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during >> an >> emergency, so do it before it occurs. >> >> Greg H. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? >> >> >> > Would you feel the same way if people died in quakes in Japan or >> > California? What about Sri Lanka? How about a plane crash, dam breech, >> > eruption or tornado? Some empathy here would be nice. No one is >> perfect. >> > No one can predict the future. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Emil >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or >> g >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
