What I can't stand is when someone says "begs the question" when they mean "raise the question." Begging the question describes a logical fallacy.
As for "political hair shirt" - that's too obtuse for comment. "Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he made it his life's work to clear the name of his own people. For this commendable enterprise," Clearing Germany of culpability for the deaths of jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other "undesirables" is indeed commendable. Next up: Clearing the record on slavery, Stalin, Belgium in the Congo, war in Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur? Besides, Noel Coward is way ahead of you on Germany: *Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans - Noel Coward* Verse 1 We must be kind And with an open mind We must endeavour to find A way- To let the Germans know that when the war is over They are not the ones who'll have to pay. We must be sweet- And tactful and discreet And when they've suffered defeat We mustn't let Them feel upset Or ever get The feeling that we're cross with them or hate them, Our future policy must be to reinstate them. Refrain 1 Don't let's be beastly to the Germans When our victory is ultimately won, It was just those nasty Nazis who persuaded them to fight And their Beethoven and Bach are really far worse than their bite Let's be meek to them- And turn the other cheek to them And try to bring out their latent sense of fun. Let's give them full air parity- And treat the rats with charity, But don't let's be beastly to the Hun. Verse 2 We must be just- And win their love and trust And in additon we must Be wise And ask the conquered lands to join our hands to aid them. That would be a wonderful surprise. For many years- They've been in floods of tears Because the poor little dears Have been so wronged and only longed To cheat the world, Deplete the world And beat The world to blazes. This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises. Refrain 2 Don't let's be beastly to the Germans When we've definately got them on the run- Let us treat them very kindly as we would a valued friend We might send them out some Bishops as a form of lease and lend, Let's be sweet to them- And day by day repeat to them That 'sterilization' simply isn't done. Let's help the dirty swine again- To occupy the Rhine again, But don't let's be beastly to the Hun. Refrain 3 Don't let's be beastly to the Germans When the age of peace and plenty has begun. We must send them steel and oil and coal and everything they need For their peaceable intentions can be always guaranteed. Let's employ with them a sort of 'strength through joy' with them, They're better than us at honest manly fun. Let's let them feel they're swell again and bomb us all to hell again, But don't let's be beastly to the Hun. Refrain 4 Don't let's be beastly to the Germans For you can't deprive a ganster of his gun Though they've been a little naughty to the Czechs and Poles and Dutch But I don't suppose those countries really minded very much Let's be free with them and share the B.B.C. with them. We mustn't prevent them basking in the sun. Let's soften their defeat again-and build their bloody fleet again, But don't let's be beastly to the Hun. Keith Addison wrote: >Hi Peter > >I think Hoffman's a bit of a nutcase, or so swathed in conspiracy >theories he might as well be one. > >Anyway, IMHO, what's interesting isn't the questions themselves so >much as the fact that it's forbidden to ask them. It's the 21st >Century after all, not the Middle Ages anymore. > >As Bob said last time around: > > > >>... But in fact it begs the question, >>posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece. >>This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in >>11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American >>"hate speech" law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise >>apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to >>contemplate the anomalies? >>... Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust >>story has been >>used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in line while >>another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years >>standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could >>summon to its cause. >> >> > >That was about this: > > > >>Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Problems are My Holocaust Problems >>Michael Santomauro - ReportersNoteBook Sept 27, 2007 >> >> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg71100.html > >Indeed, if you question Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, Bob's >"another holocaust", something similar happens, the "Israel lobby" >gets you, in the US at least, with much the same tactics, kiss your >reputation goodbye and probably your career too. > >Because of this taboo, it's difficult or impossible to make any sense >of what's happening in the Middle East, or of energy politics. It's >in the way, it has to go. Indeed opposition is spreading, especially >in the last two years, the iron grip is weakening. > >Another reason it's a false sacred cow is that as I said genocides >are two a penny these days, why is this particular genocide any more >important than the others, especially since they're happening right >now, not just a thing of the past? > > > >>We're living amid an ongoing global holocaust. It's not just an >>accident, an unfortunate side-effect or something. Life is cheap. >>But life is not cheap - as Fritz said, even one is too many. Life is >>sacred, all life is sacred. >> >> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg71185.html >Re: [Biofuel] Holocaust error > >In "Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire" (see next) James Petras talks >of "an accelerating predisposition to genocides to accomplish >political aims". > >Meanwhile, if you happen to like Holocausts, these same folks who >won't allow questioning or criticism of Israel and the Holocaust are >in cahoots with America's ultra-rightwing "End Times" so-called >Christian so-called fundamentalist nutters who're hellbent on killing >everyone except them. (See America's Armageddonites.) > >We definitely do need a little more focus on these issues. If prying >away at Holocaust doctrine helps then that's okay by me. > >Best > >Keith > > > > >>Hi Keith and all List Members >> >>I like the part about Fred "Dr. Death" Leuchter, the >>designer of the US Prison system's execution >>apparatus, as an expert defense witness who tested >>purported execution "gas chambers" ON-SITE in >>Auschwitz, Poland tesitified in a court of law under >>oath and determined they had never been used to kill >>anyone. >> >>The other question I have is this. The war machine >>runs on fuel. During a time of war for Germany, fuel >>would be incredibly important. So why would the >>Germans waste precious fuel to transport all the >>prisioners to the camps if they intended to kill them? >>Wouldn't a sharp bayonette be much cheaper? >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Peter G. >>Thailand >> >> >>20th Anniversary of the Great Holocaust Trial >> >>by Michael A. Hoffman II >> >>Copyright 2005 by revisionisthistory.org >> >>January 7, 2005 marks the 20th anniversary of what >>came to be known throughout the world as "The Great >>Holocaust Trial" thanks chiefly to the drive, >>determination, courage and vision of one man, Ernst >>Zundel, supported by those he inspired. >> >>In 1985 Zundel was a German immigrant residing in >>Toronto, Canada where he had built a highly successful >>advertising and graphic arts business based in a >>rambling Victorian mansion in the bohemian >>"Cabbagetown" section of metropolitan Toronto. >> >>Zundel viewed the "Six million" story as a form of >>mental genocide against the German people; ostensibly >>a noble tale of the epoch struggle for human rights >>that in actuality was a form of devious hate >>propaganda, leveling every conceivable blood libel at >>the Germans and branding them with the Mark of Cain. >>Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native >>city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar >>with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he >>made it his life's work to clear the name of his own >>people. >> >>For this commendable enterprise, Zundel had his >>mailing privileges revoked by the Canadian government >>in 1983, forcing him to open a post office box in >>Buffalo, New York and send a messenger to commute >>hundreds of miles just to receive mail. In 1985 he was >>charged under an archaic "False News" provision of an >>old Edwardian municipal code, for having published the >>pamphlet "Did Six Million Really Die?" He faced two >>years in prison if convicted. >> >>In reponse Zundel put the so-called "Holocaust" itself >>on trial, hiring a little-known maverick lawyer from >>British Columbia, Douglas Christie, to argue his case >>before Judge Hugh Locke. Seated next to Christie was >>the learned revisionist historian Prof. Robert >>Faurisson of France, who guided Christie's withering >>cross-examination of a long train of "saintly >>'Holocaust' survivors" offered by the "Crown." >> >>Zundel's defense was initially regarded by the press >>and public as preposterous. "How can anyone deny the >>'Holocaust?" was the incredulous response to the news >>that Zundel would vigorously defend himself and the >>free speech rights of all Canadians. The trial was >>expected to be a quick and ignominious rout of Zundel >>and his motley crew. >> >>How wrong the odds-makers were! For the first time in >>history the holy "survivors" finally had to submit >>their "testimony" to scrutiny, to the rules of >>evidence and cross-examination, something that has >>never happened before or since. Seated in the press >>gallery, I watched as my colleagues of the fourth >>estate grew ever more surprised and shocked at the >>amazing admissions Christie and Faurisson elicited >> >> >>from the "eyewitnesses" to the gas chambers. TV > > >>reporters like Claud Adams and journalists from the >>Toronto Star and Globe and Mail produced footage and >>headlines that turned Canada upside down. >> >>Canadian readers and viewers learned that there was no >>scientific evidence for homicidal gas chambers, that >>homicidal gassings (as opposed to the German use of >>Zyklon B as a life-saving prophylactic against the >>deadly typhus louse), were a rumor that the inmates >>heard but never actually witnessed for >>themselves--these were statements obtained by Mr. >>Christie from the prosecution's own vaunted Auschwitz >>eyewitnesses! >> >>In March of 1985 Zundel was convicted by a cowardly >>jury that had followed the prejudicial advisories of a >>bent judge; but the conviction was reversed on appeal >>and Zundel went to trial again in 1988, eventually >>winning a Supreme Court decision for free speech in >>Canada. >> >>The 1988 trial is more well known in revisionist >>circles. Zundel was famous by then and the appearance >>of Fred "Dr. Death" Leuchter, the designer of the US >>Prison system's execution apparatus, as an expert >>defense witness who tested purported execution "gas >>chambers" on-site in Auschwitz, Poland and determined >>they had never been used to kill anyone, created an >>international sensation. >> >>Still, for this reporter, the 1985 trial has the >>greatest significance. Having been badly burned the >>first time around (Dr. Raul Hilberg, the preeminent >>historian of the Six Million admitted on the witness >>stand in the first trial that there was no scientific >>evidence for gassings--"I'm at a loss" he said when >>asked to produce evidence), the Judaic establishment >>kept all their infallible "Holocaust" saints and >>martyrs away from the second trial. Yet it is upon the >>word of these supposedly unimpeachable "eyewitnesses" >>that the tale hangs and it was in the first trial that >>they were hanged by their own lies and misprision. It >>was poetic justice that this was >>done in the full glare of the publicity they had >>marshaled in the expectation of witnessing Zundel's >>disgrace. >> >>20 years ago today I left Ithaca, New York for >>Toronto, arriving on a snowy Sunday evening at >>Zundelhaus, a place teeming with hope and buzzing with >>activity. There I met many elderly veterans of the >>German military, some of them driven almost insane >>with grief and agony in the face of the >>unconscionable--and heretofore largely >>unchallenged--group libel that had been heaped upon >>the German people in the wake of World War Two. Every >>man and every woman among them was a noble person and >>they looked to Ernst to lift the Jew-killer stigma >> >> >>from off their weary and aged shoulders, and in > > >>particular from the souls of their children and >>grandchildren. >> >>On January 7, 1985, this writer was privileged to walk >>directly behind Zundel and Christie, through a >>gauntlet of JDL terrorists and into the courthouse >>where I would report the trial for eight weeks, first >>in the pages of the Washington D.C. newspaper >>"Spotlight," and later in a book published by the >>Institute for Historical Review, "The Great Holocaust >>Trial" (now out of print). >> >>It is difficult to fathom that twenty years later >>Ernst Zundel is completing his twenty-third month of >>solitary confinement in Guantanamo north, a Canadian >>jail in Rexdale, on a star chamber charge of being a >>"terrorist," with key "evidence" against him presented >>in secret, without the defendant or his lawyers >>present or privy to any of it. >> >>The pacifist who entered Canada because it had no >>conscription law, the activist who was repeatedly >>denounced as a reactionary and a wimp by neo-Nazi and >>Aryan extremists because he opposed armed resistance >>of any kind, now rots in a tiny cell without so much >>as a pillow, a pen or a desk, purely for reasons of >>Talmudic revenge of the most primitive and tribal >>nature. >> >>This is what the "war on terror" is all about: the >>recrudescence of the prerogatives of dictatorship for >>the sake of eliminating all those who dissent, as was >>done to Cicero after he protested the destruction of >>the Roman Republic and the tyrants who replaced it >>with an empire, for which his hands and head were >>nailed to the Senate podium. Our modern day Ceasars >>however, have no such candor. They nail men like >>Zundel in secrecy and darkness and call it human >>rights and fighting terror. >> >>But the Great Holocaust Trial was not fought in vain >>and if there is a history of human rights worth >>writing, Ernst Zundel will be on page one of any >>authentic compendium. History teaches that you can't >>kill ideas with prisons and gulags and that as long as >>men like Zundel continue to keep their faith in the >>power of the truth, others will come forward to raise >>the banner. This is how our rights were gained in the >>first place and will be secured in the future. >> >>On January 7 light a candle, literally or in your >>heart, for all the men and women throughout the >>centuries who have given their lives for freedom, >>among whom we number the unforgettable Mr. Zundel. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Ernst Zundel was keelhauled to Germany by the >>government of Canada after a star chamber proceeding. >>He was immediately arrested upon arrival in Germany. >>His "crime"? He has the "wrong" opinions! I hope the >>Arabs and Muslims are watching this case and learning >>that, when it comes to Judaism and Zionism, there is >>no genuine free speech or democracy in the West. It is >>all hypocrisy. Condoleeza Rice and George Bush are >>happy to see Zundel go to prison for his opinions and >>beliefs, yet they presume to lecture China and Iran >>about "freedom." Don't believe these liars and fakers >>for a minute! >> >>Write to: Ernst Zundel , JVA - Mannheim, D-68169 >>Mannheim, Herzogenried Strasse, 111 Germany >> >>"The Great Holocaust Trial" a 65 minute documentary >>film about the 1985 trial, edited by Michael Hoffman >> >> >>from more than 100 hours of TV news coverage, is > > >>available on VHS Video >> >>===== >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
