On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:53, Phi Tran wrote: > 1- There no server-side XMLHTTP needed. It is 100% Client process. > (All it need is an SVG file form the server.). . >
Right, as long as you are only interested in static content, that is a fine usage. For images, for example. > 2- It is not 100% SVG1-2 but it support all graphic and cascade style. > Right. This certainly has a place for static content. > 3- Me My staff want a web-base simple SVG editor that we can work anywhere > (for ourself). Accessible to anyone of us. > Right. I can certainly see the advantage of this. > 4- I like one that can play SVG on 99.9% of the webserver population. Easy > for Web develpoer do do one WEB-page that it display the same no matter > what browser it is IE 4-5-6-7?? FF 1 -1.2 -1.5 Opera ? AOL ? NS ?? > I dont know what you mean by webserver population. You can process SVG with batik on 100% of webservers (well, win32, unix, linux, mac... at least). Is that what you mean? XML->raster on the server, then send it to the client? > 5- Timing? It slower because it is interpreted Vs compiled. Depend on how > much how big one change it may or may not fit for GAME/animation purpose. > But it may fit on other purpose such as map dynamic image generator such as > a web-base image drawing. > Right. Could be good, especially for clients that cant support static SVG. Are many of these? Have you come accross DENG, the svg viewer written in flash? Also, why not use flash to generate SVG drawings (blasphemy, but fairly easy, I would guess). > 6- We are not just starting it. but it has been worked for long. Interesting. Any way to take a look at it? Do you have an online version that is accessible? Ronan > > On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Phi, > > > > Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the > > concept if > > y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will > > support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven > > serverside-driven > > updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only > > support > > SVGT, that would already be excellent. > > > > However, I have some issues with your point of view: > > > > 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and > > forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. > > Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? > > That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out > > there, > > and at least one on the very near horizon. > > > > 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And > > for > > each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you > > mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. > > After all, > > it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 > > forever. > > After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of > > date. > > Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own > > risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my > > breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly > > surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or > > laptop. > > > > 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, > > transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things > > that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of > > course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so > > is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct > > object context handling. > > > > 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you > > show a > > link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? > > > > 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not > > simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? > > Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good > > these > > days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. > > > > 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source > > code > > for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely > > available. All you need to do is read it. > > > > Ronan > > > > On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: > > > But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. > > > And > > > 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE > > > 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author > > > > more > > > > > flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to > > > > just > > > > > move/change one item/element . . . > > > 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser web-base, > > > > Free > > > > > SVG editor. > > > > > > Hope You may Understand. > > > > > > > > > Phi > > > > > > On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from > > > > scratch for SVG > > > > when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or > > > > Konqueror's > > > > > > SVG > > > > team, which are open source, and help those implementation get > > > > better. > > > > > > > > I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser implementation. > > > > > > > > Ronan > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote: > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > > > > but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin, > > > > > with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C. > > > > > > > > > > Don't you think ? > > > > > > > > > > []s > > > > > > > > > > Phi Tran escreveu: > > > > > >FYI. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes. and No. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes there are some models floating on the NET. > > > > > > > > > > > >1- Server side java base SVG -> Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You can > > > > > > > > obtain > > > > > > > > > >source ??). > > > > > >2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very > > > > impressive) > > > > > > > >3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring client/server > > > > round > > > > > > > > trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side Javascript > > > > SVG > > > > > > > > render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few > > > > week. > > > > > > > >On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Hi, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images in > > > > the > > > > > > > >>browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the > > > > especification > > > > > > 1.1 > > > > > > > > > >>disponibilized for the W3c....otherwise we can start this > > > > > > > > ideia/solution > > > > > > > > > >>??? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all > > > > > >>funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the adobe > > > > wich > > > > > > > >>was been abandoned. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>thank's > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>----- > > > > > >>To unsubscribe send a message to: > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >>-or- > > > > > >>visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click > > > > > >> "edit > > > > my > > > > > > > >>membership" > > > > > >>---- > > > > > >>Yahoo! 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