On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 16:55, stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 10:39 PM, Ewen Hill <ewen.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Indigenous nations/country
> > I have a strong belief that we should allocate an entry around level
> three to six for indigenous country. There will be discussion on fuzziness
> of boundaries and ownership, a number of these have been resolved already
> by the Registered Aboriginal Parties (RAP) for an area however I don't see
> that being a huge issue. My key issue is appropriation of the country and
> area polygons for the ability for others to commercialise this or reduce
> the purchasing of indigenous materials.
> >
> > I don't see that all RAPs and others would update the map, however I see
> having the ability to add this data and be able to index it, is important
> to OSM in Australia.
>

Ewen

Yep, great idea!

We did discuss this briefly a little while ago, when Aus Post started
pushing for / allowing "Country" names to be included in mailing addresses.

https://auspost.com.au/about-us/supporting-communities/rachael-mcphail-making-traditional-place-names-part-of-mailing-addresses

I agree that it may not be something that is very usable "now", but it's
something that will only gain in popularity over time, so let's get in
early with OSM!

"Um," (he begins timidly)...
>

It's alright Steve, we don't bite! (that hard anyway :-))

To sum it up simply - it's complicated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_land_rights_in_Australia

So some areas could be aboriginal lands, but most aren't.

What I was talking about (& possibly Ewen) was to include the original
"nations" lands eg
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia

Unfortunately, I'd think the chances of being allowed to use that map are
pretty well non-existent :-(
https://aiatsis.gov.au/form/permission/map

the challenges to OSM's admin_level scheme are great, and so far, not
> completely "solved." ... Really, this can be a challenging problem to solve
> (where there are "overlapping" or "shared" political areas and it isn't
> "neat, clean and easy" to delineate one from the other).
>

Yep! :-(

Thanks

Graeme
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