On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:12, Anthony wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Liz <ed...@billiau.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>>>>> Yes, we know that everyone could probably use OSM maps for their
>>>>> business website if they spent a week surveying their  
>>>>> surrounding area
>>>>> / creating custom renderings. But that's not very helpful when  
>>>>> they
>>>>> can just embed Google instantly and get the same results.
>>>>
>>>> And how many of their competitors would also be linked to that  
>>>> site via
>>>> google's linked advertising?
>>>
>>> In this case (http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/about_us/map), none,
>>> because they plagiarized the map.
>>>
>>
>> and from http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/terms
>>
>> The material on this site is protected by international copyright and
>> trademark laws.
>>
>> They don't actually claim to own the material.
>
> More to the point, they don't claim to have created the material.  But
> they do use the work of others without giving those others credit.
> There's no mention of Google, and no mention of Tele Atlas.

Just to say that Campaign for Better Transport are out friends; they  
played host to a mapping party for use (in 2007?) and are a charitable  
partner for us. They have already provided £6K to the project from a  
charitable donation that needed a charitable partner and are likely to  
be a charitable partner for our purchase of a new exciting batch of  
out-of-copyright OS mapping in the next month (we had a meeting with  
them last week).

They moved offices a few weeks ago and it seems that they actually  
switched from OSM to Google Maps in the move and also failed to  
attribute properly.

I have just spoken to them and they will be back using OSM and will  
have proper attribution within 2 days if not in 2 hours!

So.. the moral of the story is.. assume good faith when attribution  
isn't show and ask them to do so. Only if one gets rebuffed should one  
start assuming the worst.

It on does get ignored then one should add the site to this wiki page.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution


Regards,


Peter


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