One idea is to leverage IRC power, by having an international channel, where any language is permitted. And people can respond & live translate, and people can get their answer.
Having this IRC weblink directly on the feedback box will help a great deal. Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient. (kind of like twitter, but the useful version) and it could be better with more languages permitted. Imo, Sam On 2/20/10, SteveC <st...@asklater.com> wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> SteveC wrote: >>> Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) >> >> So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating >> openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations? > > Well I'll go further. > > openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be > > 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' > 2) enter problem > 3) click ok > > the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should > get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I > think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the > bugs. > > I think in an environment where every other map on the planet is trying to > hide their bugs, we should expose ours and fix them quickly while showing > everyone what they got wrong. > > As for your comments about people entering bugs and feature requests we > can't handle... look. I understand it's a case of matching requests to > people who can be bothered to do them. And I understand that people here > today can't be bothered to fix most of the things that are wrong in OSM > because we're all happy to work around them... but it's bonkers to be > dismissive about 'granny' because it's all those grannies out there who are > going to help us fix this map. > > If I think about all the people who can help today in OSM, I immediately > think of my brothers and sister, my parents and so on... and the only way is > if we go through a big complicated loop with walking papers. A bug system > like the above should be where we're headed. It will make so many more > people help us, and we will be able to fix so many more things. > > So as for features and software bugs... I think we should turn up the volume > of the people who want things changed. One, we might learn something about > what the users actually want (because trac is a poor, poor reflection) and > two... look we should be the first people to welcome input on what people > think we should do. We can't all hide in our basement and hack on Java any > more. We have to help these people who are crying out for it. > > I'll add two more things > > 1) Using "google insight" (bing for it) and many other tools it's very very > clear that the german community is by far and away huge. That's wonderful, > but we don't have Germans all over Europe and the US - we need these tools > out here Frederik to help us fix the map. > > 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. > Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. > But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy > to use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's very clear that nobody can > convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to > use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, > but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his choice, > and it's totally fine, but if we all feel that way then we have to deal with > the downside that every single day we lose tens of thousands of edits > because of that monopoly on bad UI. All I'm suggesting is we sidestep the > problem and connect people who can report a map bug but can't be bothered to > deal with pain and suffering of potlatch with the people who can deal with > it, at least until Richard gets his act together and stops fixing every > stupid thing in the old codebase. You have to take a step back here and > realise what we're missing out on. > > Yours &c. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
