On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: >> >> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be >> >> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' >> 2) enter problem >> 3) click ok >> > > ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
I will. > look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from > most people is useless. a comment "footways are missing in this park" doesn't > help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to survey. > And someone able to write a detailed and useful description will be able to > Potlatch* in the same time I don't think that's the issue - I think that most people aren't aware of OSB or keepright etc because they're not front ant center. >> the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should >> get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I >> think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the >> bugs. >> >> I think in an environment where every other map on the planet is trying to >> hide their bugs, we should expose ours and fix them quickly while showing >> everyone what they got wrong. >> >> As for your comments about people entering bugs and feature requests we >> can't handle... look. I understand it's a case of matching requests to >> people who can be bothered to do them. And I understand that people here >> today can't be bothered to fix most of the things that are wrong in OSM >> because we're all happy to work around them... but it's bonkers to be >> dismissive about 'granny' because it's all those grannies out there who are >> going to help us fix this map. > > the grannies are useless unless you sit down with them and talk to them > finally and do the entry yourself. I'm trying to make the point that a simple OSB -like interface means you don't have to. >> If I think about all the people who can help today in OSM, I immediately >> think of my brothers and sister, my parents and so on... and the only way is >> if we go through a big complicated loop with walking papers. A bug system >> like the above should be where we're headed. It will make so many more >> people help us, and we will be able to fix so many more things. > > something like walking papers is what non geeks understand because they know > paper maps. or to repeat you have to sit down with them Right... but OSB is even simpler because you don't have to print it out etc. >> So as for features and software bugs... I think we should turn up the volume >> of the people who want things changed. One, we might learn something about >> what the users actually want (because trac is a poor, poor reflection) and >> two... look we should be the first people to welcome input on what people >> think we should do. We can't all hide in our basement and hack on Java any >> more. We have to help these people who are crying out for it. >> >> I'll add two more things >> >> 1) Using "google insight" (bing for it) and many other tools it's very very >> clear that the german community is by far and away huge. That's wonderful, >> but we don't have Germans all over Europe and the US - we need these tools >> out here Frederik to help us fix the map. >> > > without the German's you won't get a better map. back to "footways are > missing in this park" it's sitting in openstreetbugs for many months (or > years?) openstreetbugs or keepright are the perfect tools for German's with a > large community look at US. even a 5+ mio area like the bay area has probably > less than 100 active mappers. they can and will do cooler and more rewarding > things first. Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need these easier tools to build the map. Yours &c. Steve _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
