On 02/03/2013 07:35 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 03.02.2013 12:36, Paweł Paprota wrote:
What I want right now is some sign that OSM is not fading away as a
project.
Shouldn't this be the other way round - shouldn't somebody who
claims that OSM was about to "fade away" have proof for that?
Number of users raising:
(...)
I'm sorry but I don't see any reason for gloom. Maybe you have read
the wrong blogs to fear that OSM will soon be forgotten ;)
Nice way to interpret the data :-) Look closer and not only if the
charts are rising and you can see a different picture:
Number of users grew from 500k to 1M since some time in 2011 until
January 2013:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmdbstats1_users.png
At the same time the percentage of (highly) active users is falling
since at least 2009 and this number is now below 2%.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmdbstats8.png
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmdbstats4A.png
On the developer side of things, look at the git log and what's been
going on in the last several months. How many Top Ten Tasks have been
accomplished in 2012 from those that were planned? Now think why this
number is so low.
I don't know much about CWG but I trust Richard when he says they are
understaffed/"under-resourced" and proper communication and PR is
probably one of the most important things right now that the project
should be doing.
As I said, such impatience is unusual and unwarranted. The next 6-8
months are certainly not going to make or break OSM or OSMF; I
really don't know where that idea comes from.
That's your opinion, I have a different one and know at least a couple
of people who think alike. Certainly if nothing is done in 6-8 months
then OSM is not going to vanish. It's just my personal timeframe, the
time I'm willing to invest into developing and helping with other matters.
Strategic thinking is long-term thinking, and in our case requires
to get a lot of pepole on board in a suitable process, including
those who think that we shouldn't have a strategy (we can't just kick
them out and say "ok then we'll have a strategy without you" - we
have to convince them that having a strategy is good). This not only
is a lot of work but also requires the political skills that Mike
Migurski mentioned. I'm confident that all these things are going to
happen in due course, but it is very unlikely that "in due course"
means "in 6-8 months".
Seriously? 6-8 months is not enough time to put together such
initiative? What do you plan on doing all this time?
Paweł
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