Can you summarize parts of this article (5k+ words, in "long read" section)
that are relevant totagging of Russian and Ukrainian border in the Crimea?
22. Oct 2018 00:44 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch
<mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>:
> > Hi Martin,
>
> Before continuing this discussion further, I would advise to read
> the amazing article "The demise of the nation state" by Rana Dasgupta
> available via this link:>
> https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/05/demise-of-the-nation-state-rana-dasgupta
>
> <https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/05/demise-of-the-nation-state-rana-dasgupta>
>
> The issue of national state boundaries is more profound and
> ubiquitous than it may seem at first sight. This topic is controversial
> and complicated, and Rana Dasgupta's analyses provides some good
> starting-point insights.
>
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
>
> On 21.10.18 16:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> >
>> >> >> Dear all,
>> >> >> we all know how sensible the topic of disputed
>> boundaries can be (they are not necessarily a big problem, many
>> boundary disputes like between Italy and France about the summit of
>> Mont Blanc / Monte Bianco, have little bearing on the actual
>> life of people).>>
>> >> >> Therefore we can all be satisfied there is clear
>> guidance from the board how to deal with this: the local situation
>> determines how we map, and the OSMF is explicit here:
>> “National borders are particularly sensitive. Currently, we record
>> one set that, in OpenStreetMap contributor opinion, is most widely
>> internationally recognised and best meets realities on the ground,
>> generally meaning physical control.”>>
>> >> >>
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.
>> <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf>>>
>> pdf >>
>> >> >> When I recently looked at Crimea I noticed it is still
>> part of the Ucraine in OSM: >>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/60199
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/60199>>>
>> >> >> As many might know, the current boundary situation for
>> Crimea was frozen 4 years ago “for a short time” by the DWG
>> and so I asked them about their current position 2 months ago, and
>> after I got no reply, tried to remind them 5 weeks ago, but have
>> not yet gotten any reply, so I am now opening this thread here.>>
>>
>> >> >> IMHO, for consistency and credibility, we should
>> either recognize that Russia is actually controlling Crimea, or we
>> should update the disputed borders information. As I believe
>> the general concept of ground truth for admin boundaries was a
>> good idea, I would tend to the former.>>
>> >> >> I also believe the actual situation has already been
>> ignored for too long. When the thing is still dynamic or/and
>> we’re in the middle of a conflict it can be wise to step back and
>> see for some time how things are evolving, but 4 years are a lot of
>> time, something like one year would seem more reasonable.>>
>> >> >> What do you think?>>
>> >> >> Cheers, Martin
>>
>> >> sent from a phone>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> >>
>>> >>> From:>>> Martin Koppenhoefer <>>> dieterdre...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>>>> >
>>> >>> Date:>>> 20. August 2018 at 10:42:33 CEST
>>> >>> To:>>> >>> d...@osmfoundation.org
>>> <mailto:d...@osmfoundation.org>
>>> >>> Subject:>>> >>> DWG policy on Crimea
>>>
>>> >>>
>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Dear members of the DWG,>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> as of this question in the help
>>> forum:>>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/65436/what-is-the-current-position-of-the-dataworkinggroup-on-crimea
>>>
>>> <https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/65436/what-is-the-current-position-of-the-dataworkinggroup-on-crimea>>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> I kindly invite you to reconsider and
>>> eventually update your position on the situation in
>>> Crimea.>>>
>>> >>> >>> As you have stated in 2014, this should
>>> not be the long term way to deal with the situation, and
>>> short term is probably coming to an end. There is clear
>>> guidance by the OSMF board how to deal with disputed
>>> boundaries (as the situation seems to be more stable than
>>> some would have liked).>>>
>>> >>> >>> My motivation is not promoting the
>>> Russian point of view, but to act predictably and consistent
>>> wrt sensible topics.>>>
>>> >>> >>> Thank you,>>> >>>
>>> cheers,>>> >>> Martin >>> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
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