Hi Robert, Christoph, and Mateusz, thanks again for continuing to engage in this thread!
I’m going to post just once more since I think we’re reaching the limits of how much I can say on behalf of my employer here. I’m participating as a way to make myself available for questions and feedback during the board campaign, expand on my manifesto and Q&A, and hopefully make a case for why I’d be a helpful addition to the OSMF board. I want to make sure that I am not mischaracterizing the points of view expressed upthread, so I’ll do my best to restate them: attribution is a form of remuneration or gratitude to the mappers who build the map, its high visual prominence is a sign of respect toward the OSM project, and the desired goal of attribution is to inform end-users of the ingredients that make up a basemap they’re seeing. This is adapted and condensed from Christoph’s wiki entry, I hope I’m conveying the key points correctly. As a board member, these points of view will be important for me to understand. Commenters on this topic have compared OSM attribution to commercial attribution for data vendor companies, and suggested using their model of requiring equally-prominent logos and links. OSM is bigger and more important than this. I can talk more about why if anyone’s interested but the short version is that frontline engineers and designers at companies who use OSM data create powerful internal pressure to choose OSM in serious “build vs. buy” debates. OSM often wins because of its openness and flexibility, and its key to growth is awareness and participation from motivated experts. This is a much more interesting winning strategy than that employed by commercial vendors. The OSMF board supports the interests of community members, and I would seek to do the same. I’ll improve the board’s decisions with respect to large, organized OSM community members poorly represented by past boards or venues like this talk@ list. I’d like to see other contributors like humanitarian mappers or new geographies on the board as well, and my manifesto calls for support of the candidates from Cameroon and the Philippines. Thanks again to those of you who participating in the conversation. For those using or defending rape metaphors, shame on you. -mike. ---------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html > On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Michal Migurski <m...@teczno.com> wrote: > > Hi Robert, Martin, Alexandre, Jochen, Richard, Tom: > > Thanks for your followups in this conversation! I am speaking here as an > individual and not on behalf of Facebook, so I’m going to focus on the areas > relevant to board candidacy. > > First, the text of the ODbL is explicit about “reasonably calculated” > awareness. FB believes its maps comply with this. The ODbL does not require > that “every” person see the attribution. It requires that “any” person can. > FB’s attribution to OSM is available to any viewer in a place that is > commonly associated with attribution. > > Successful attribution guidelines published by the OSMF will make it much > easier to decide how to interpret the ODbL. As a board member with experience > in cartography design & implementation and OSM-relevant companies my > involvement will make it more likely that the eventual attribution guidelines > work for everyone. > > A few of you have pushed back on my “beyond the ODbL” framing in my prior > reply. I don’t want to repeat myself too much, but the ODbL is very terse and > leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Common practices for data > attribution in map and non-map domains rely on click-through interactions > like the ones FB uses. This is a completely reasonable way to make users > aware of the source of map data to the extent that viewers know that maps are > made of data, that it is often sourced externally, and that the words in the > corner of a map are relevant to how that basemap was produced and not (for > example) the location of a friend or venue overlaid on top of it. The > community here on talk@ is understandably focused on basemap attribution, but > in the context of the many hundreds of ways that FB uses maps in its products > and the many sources of that data, there’s also important design and > interaction considerations with dramatically more needs to keep in balance. > The power of OSM has always been its openness to new kind of uses beyond > simple display maps. My interest as a board member is in maintaining this > open approach to uses that are bigger, weirder, more niche, or otherwise > different than OSM might have previously imagined. > > Second, Jochen examines further the issue of conflict of interest. All of us > involved in OSM represent a variety of interests that we bring to the map. My > candidacy for the board is explicitly driven by a desire to see commercial > and organizational use of OSM better represented in the OSMF. In some > specific cases there may be a conflict of interest where I’d recuse myself, > but in general it’s much more likely that FB and other companies’ need for a > high-quality, free, global map with a healthy org behind it is *strongly > aligned* with OSMF’s interests. I’ve held this belief for many years and in > many organizations. As a board member I would work with members representing > other OSM constituencies to make sure all these overlapping needs and desires > lead to an OSM that’s stronger together. > > Thanks everyone for your words in the thread so far. The annual election > process is important because it’s one of the only venues OSM has typically > had to ask itself tough questions and make important decisions. > > -mike. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: > sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html > <http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html> > >> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Michal Migurski <m...@teczno.com >> <mailto:m...@teczno.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I’m excited to be running for the OSMF board this year! In 2021, OSM’s >> community has two opportunities to grow stronger together: we should make >> the OSM organization support a wider diversity of participants and we must >> succeed at starting to manage our technical operations professionally. >> >> I’d like to make myself available for conversations with anyone who has >> questions about my candidacy, manifesto, priorities, or really anything >> else. I did this last year when I ran and ended up having a few really fun >> conversations with community members. I’m blocking these four times over the >> next two weeks prior to the close of voting and AGM on Dec 12; get in touch >> via email if you’d like to chat by text, voice, or video! >> >> • Dec 1, 16:00 PST – >> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1 >> >> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1> >> • Dec 3, 8:00 PST – >> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1 >> >> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1> >> • Dec 4, 16:00 PST – >> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1 >> >> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1> >> • Dec 9, 8:00 PST – >> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1 >> >> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1> >> >> >> Read my complete manifesto on the Wiki for more about why I think I’d make a >> good OSMF board member: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Michal_Migurski#Manifesto >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Michal_Migurski#Manifesto> >> >> >> -mike. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: >> sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html >> <http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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