Dave, you say, "........assuming the above website is correct." If it is not
can we accuse you spreading lies?
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:51:03 -0800
DAVEH: Seems to me that the Southern Baptists may be able to trace their
roots to the Rev Wm Screven........
The Church was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine
by the Rev. William Screven.
......according to.......
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/charleston/bap.htm
........assuming the above website is correct.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
*How can they possibly claim Apostolic succession, when they did not
exist?*
*As far as the Baptists:*
*200Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:*
"Were it not that the baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off
with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in
greater number than all the Reformers." (Hosius, /Letters, Apud Opera/,
pp. 112, 113.)
/*The "twelve hundred years" were years PRECEDING the Reformation and the
Protestants! */
*Sir Isaac Newton:* "The Baptists are the only body of known Christians
that have never symbolized with Rome."
*Mosheim (Lutheran historian):* "Before the rise of Luther and Calvin,
there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who
adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch Baptists."
*/Edinburg Cyclopedia/ (Presbyterian):* "It must have already occurred to
our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were
formerly described as Ana-Baptists. Indeed this seems to have been their
leading principle from the time of Tertullian to the present time."
/*Tertullian was born just fifty years after the death of the Apostle
John!*/
Don't most churches have a founder? Ask any number of churches who founded
them.
Ask a Methodist, John Wesley
Ask a Mormon Joe Smith
Ask a Catholic Peter the "pope"
Ask a Lutheran Martin Luther
Ask a baptist I doubt he will answer Roger Williams! LOL
Who founded the baptist church?
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
*What if I gave you a list of Successive heads of the Baptist
church going all the way back to John the Baptist?*
DAVEH: Can that be done?
You and I both agree regarding the RCC claim. But, at least
they lay some claim to a historical right to the priesthood
authority. Do you know of another religion that makes a similar
claim?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I don't accept fairy tales.
*What if I gave you a list of Succesive heads of the Baptist
church going all the way back to John the Baptist?* We would need
to have a history of that Church to go along with the names.
As far as Peter how did he become a Pope? There is absolutely no
history that the RCC can point to.
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
DAVEH: Did not the early apostles (mentioned in the Bible)
possess the authority of God? Do you know of any who you are
certain had the authority as was given by the Lord who lived
after they (the Biblical apostles) died?
The RCC folks claim the authority as given to Peter was
then handed down to the popes through the centuries, and can
presumably name them all. I assume you do not accept that
lineage of authority though. I am curious why you would not
accept it though?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I am interested to see how DH's General Apostacy theory
holds water after seeing these facts.
Where was the break in authority DH?
Who was the last group to Hold it?
*/David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
Kevin wrote:
>> Besides there was NO Catholic Church in 30AD.
>> The RCC came along generations later.
CD wrote:
> Correct Kevin somewhere around 400 ad.
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church came into existence
in 1054, when it
split away from the churches of the East. About 500
years later it
splintered into the various Protestant groups.
Peace be with you.
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