Dave, you say, "........assuming the above website is correct." If it is not can we accuse you spreading lies?

From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:51:03 -0800

DAVEH: Seems to me that the Southern Baptists may be able to trace their roots to the Rev Wm Screven........

The Church was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine by the Rev. William Screven.

......according to.......

http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/charleston/bap.htm

........assuming the above website is correct.

Kevin Deegan wrote:

*How can they possibly claim Apostolic succession, when they did not exist?*


*As far as the Baptists:*

*200Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:*

"Were it not that the baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers." (Hosius, /Letters, Apud Opera/, pp. 112, 113.)



/*The "twelve hundred years" were years PRECEDING the Reformation and the Protestants! */

*Sir Isaac Newton:* "The Baptists are the only body of known Christians that have never symbolized with Rome."



*Mosheim (Lutheran historian):* "Before the rise of Luther and Calvin, there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch Baptists."



*/Edinburg Cyclopedia/ (Presbyterian):* "It must have already occurred to our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were formerly described as Ana-Baptists. Indeed this seems to have been their leading principle from the time of Tertullian to the present time."



/*Tertullian was born just fifty years after the death of the Apostle John!*/



Don't most churches have a founder? Ask any number of churches who founded them.

Ask a Methodist, John Wesley

Ask a Mormon Joe Smith

Ask a Catholic Peter the "pope"

Ask a Lutheran Martin Luther

Ask a baptist I doubt he will answer Roger Williams! LOL

Who founded the baptist church?


*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

    *What if I gave you a list of Successive heads of the Baptist
    church going all the way back to John the Baptist?*

    DAVEH:   Can that be done?

        You and I both agree regarding the RCC claim.   But, at least
    they lay some claim to a historical right to the priesthood
    authority.  Do you know of another religion that makes a similar
    claim?

    Kevin Deegan wrote:

    I don't accept fairy tales.
         *What if I gave you a list of Succesive heads of the Baptist
    church going all the way back to John the Baptist?* We would need
    to have a history of that Church to go along with the names.
    As far as Peter how did he become a Pope? There is absolutely no
    history that the RCC can point to.

    */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

        DAVEH:   Did not the early apostles (mentioned in the Bible)
        possess the authority of God?  Do you know of any who you are
        certain had the authority as was given by the Lord who lived
        after they (the Biblical apostles) died?

            The RCC folks claim the authority as given to Peter was
        then handed down to the popes through the centuries, and can
        presumably name them all.  I assume you do not accept that
        lineage of authority though.  I am curious why you would not
        accept it though?

        Kevin Deegan wrote:

        I am interested to see how DH's General Apostacy theory
        holds water after seeing these facts.
                 Where was the break in authority DH?
        Who was the last group to Hold it?


        */David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

            Kevin wrote:
            >> Besides there was NO Catholic Church in 30AD.
            >> The RCC came along generations later.

            CD wrote:
            > Correct Kevin somewhere around 400 ad.

            Actually, the Roman Catholic Church came into existence
            in 1054, when it
            split away from the churches of the East. About 500
            years later it
            splintered into the various Protestant groups.

            Peace be with you.


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