Dave,
I went right to the source, as you have asked me to do many times. I
asked you about raising arms to the square and what "Pale Ale" means. If you
refuse to answer, perhaps it is because either you are ashamed that you do
not know what you are chanting, (or maybe you do know!). So, set me straight
on this "pale ale" thing, Dave. I cannot do what you ask if those who "have
the truth" won't share it!
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:15:47 -0800
*If I lack insight and make wrong assumptions, Dave, set me straight.*
DAVEH: I've tried to do that in times past, Perry. But despite what I
say, you believe what you want to, irregardless of the truth. Your intent
seems not to care about what LDS theology teaches, but rather you want to
destroy LDS theology. Am I perceiving your agenda correctly, Perry?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*If I lack insight and make wrong assumptions, Dave, set me straight.* You
will not talk about Temple rituals because you have taken oaths not to,
and have been told of the penalties that you will endure of you reveal
them, like having your throat cut from ear to ear, or having you belly cut
and your intestines spilled on the ground (if I am in error heere please
correct me by revealing tthe correct penalties), just like the Masons (who
incorporated gripd, signs, tokens, and epnealties long before JS was a
mason) from which parts of the mormon temple ceremonies were copied. So, I
must rely on ex-mormons who have been brought into the light, left the
mormon cult, and now reveal the rituals that are performed inside the
temple. The mormon temple rites are no different than any secret
organization...the cultic structure is very obvious. So, if you don't know
what "pay lay ale" means, then I guess I must turn to those who do, and
will admit it.
The only truth is the Word of God, Dave, something the mormons pay lip
service to, but set aside for the works of the false prophet JS. You can
certainly tell me all day that I do not have the truth, but can you
demonstrate that?
Perry
DAVEH: It is posts like this that confirm my presumption that you lack
understanding, perception and truth, Perry. I understand your need to
/wing it/, so to speak, in an effort to by chance hit a soft spot in my
armor. Instead, as I see it by making incorrect assumptions, you are
simply proving your lack of insight.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
My ultimate concern is that if you are raising your hands and
chanting words that you do not understand, you may be invoking that
which you presume you are not. That is the key to whom you owe your
allegiance. If you are not sure, or do not know exactly what that means,
where it came from, what language it is in, and to whom you are praying
when you do that, then when you get to the deepest part of your ritual,
in the deepest part of your temple, and perform signs and chant those
words, nothing else said or believed outside of that moment defines your
religion. You are invoking who you invoke.
On the other hand, if you know that you are invoking Satan, or anyone
or anything other than God, and you wish to do that, then I have no
argument with your faith. You are free to do that as long as you know
what you are doing, and choose to continue it. (Actually, you are free
to do it blindly, too, if you wish. But if you are, pleading ignorance
at your jusgement will not be a valid excuse, "...they [men] are without
excuse" - Romans 1).
You and millions of other mormons may not really know what is going
on at that moment. You may be doing it just because someone told you
that is the thing to do, or because you think, "If it happens in the
temple it can't be wrong". Think again, Dave. Think about exactly what
is it that you are doing and saying at that moment. If your leaders
cannot answer the questions with certainty and proof of their meaning,
rather than with side-steps and cute answers, then you just may be
paying homage to something other than the God you think you are
invoking. Do you know for sure? Your burning bosom can't answer that
question. I will pray for your deliverance, and the deliverance of your
family, and all mormons, that the veil of darkness will be lifted and
the light of Jesus Christ will shine in.
Perry
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