Whatever you do, any new characters designed for solving these problems
should not be in the Hebrew block. Add a new Biblical Hebrew block, clearly
labeled as not intended for regular Hebrew use.

And I suggest that whenever a proposal comes up to the UTC, it would be
advantageous to involve Israeli Biblical scientists in the review.

Jony

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> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:29 AM
> To: Rick McGowan
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> Subject: SPAM: Re: Biblical Hebrew
> 
> 
> At 03:52 PM 6/26/2003, Rick McGowan wrote:
> 
> >I'll weigh in to agree with Ken here. The solution of 
> cloning a whole 
> >set of these things just to fix combining behavior is, to 
> understate, 
> >not quite nice.
> 
> No, but would be far from the not nicest thing in Unicode, 
> and there's a 
> really good reason for it. I was originally intrigued by 
> Ken's ZWJ idea -- 
> or by a variant of it using some new re-ordering inhibiting 
> character, to 
> avoid overloading ZWJ any further --, but the more I think 
> about it, the 
> more not nice I think it is to force Biblical scholars to 
> carry the can for 
> errors in the Unicode combining classes.
> 
> Control characters, usually ZWJ and ZWNJ, seem to get 
> proposed as solutions 
> to all sorts of text processing complexities. Some of these 
> are perfectly 
> legitimate and reflect the need of users to be able to to control the 
> display of text in different ways, e.g. by forcing half-forms 
> in Indic 
> scripts. But I don't think control characters should be used 
> as fixes for 
> mistakes, especially not when the distinction is not between 
> two different 
> but equally valid ways of displaying the same text, e.g. as a 
> conjunct 
> ligature or with half-forms, but between displaying text correctly or 
> incorrectly. How many English users would accept a text 
> processing model in 
> which the distinction between 'goal' and 'gaol' relied on 
> insertion of a 
> control character between the vowels? I believe the aim in 
> fixing this 
> problem in Unicode should be to provide Biblical scholars 
> with a good text 
> processing experience, not with awkward kludges, even if that 
> means making 
> the Unicode Hebrew block look weird with duplicated marks. 
> The standard 
> should serve the users, not the aesthetic and organisational 
> sensitivities 
> of the people who design the standard.
> 
> John Hudson
> 
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> 
> If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores,
> are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, 
> who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint 
> Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.
>                                                              
> - Umberto Eco
> 
> 
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