On 02/01/2013 22:25, Monica Hall wrote:
Feel free to stir...Certainly his 5-course vihuela was tuned to the
same intervals as the guitar.. and this seems a bit odd because it is
a vihuela without the 1st course rather than without the 6th course.
But what about the story that Vicente Espinel added the 5th course?
Doisi de Velasco claims to have known Espinel in Madrid.
He says is "What I have been able to discover is that it (the guitar)
is a very ancient instrument in Spain, although having only four
strings (I say four, although it should be understood that these may
be doubled in unisons and octaves) and Espinel (whom I knew in
Madrid) added the fifth course which we call the first." which is
also a bit odd. An eye witness nevertheless.
Another of life's mysteries.
MOnica
Well, you like a mystery Monica.
I've read Susan Herre's piece in the latest Lute News. I don't think
she addresses Meucchi's ideas.
Anyway, supposing the 'ancient instrument in Spain' is the gittern
(maybe that's not right?) how did it get a body makeover and a waist in
the 1550s and take off in a completely new direction as the guitar we
now know - and yet get re-invented in its old body shape in the 1580s,
but now called a mandore?
Stuart
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob MacKillop"
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To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Fuenllana
Can I stir things up by suggesting he was the first to publish 5c
'guitar' music?
Rob
www.robmackillop.net
On 2 Jan 2013, at 19:35, "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Alas - I don't have Jacobs book either - too expensive.
Trawling through my own library it seems that Fuenllana was employed
as a
músico de cámera by the Portuguese monarch D. Sebastião in 1574, and
therefore he was still alive and active after his service with Isabel de
Valois terminated in 1568.
1578 seems a probable death date but I don't think he can have been
born in 1500. 1510 or later seems more likely doesn't it.
MOnica
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eloy Cruz" <eloyc...@gmail.com>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Fuenllana
Dear Monica, List
Charles Jacobs, in his edition of Orphenica Lyra (OUP, 1978), says
something
about Fuenllana's date(s) of death. Apparently there's some problem,
because
certain documents imply an earlier death, but her daughter latter
mentions
him as alive at a latter date, or something like that. I don't have
this
book at hand, but a soon as I can find it, I'll try to find out what it
really says.
Regards
eloy
Monica Hall 1/2/13 11:40 AM mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
I don't think there is anything in the prologue - they weren't very
worried about things like dates of birth!
I agree - 1520 seems more likely for his birth. I think there might
be
some evidence that he was till alive in 1579. I'm sure I read
something to that effect recently.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Vihuelalist ; [3]Monica Hall
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Fuenllana
Well, Orphenica Lyra is 1554 and I'd not think he'd be much younger
than around 30 for such a prestigious (and large - ie expensive)
publication.
So I'd put his date of birth around 1520. I suspect the c 1500 -
1579
means that 1500 is a guess but 1579 is evidenced. 1579 also fits
with
average adult lifespan of the period of around 60 (ie excluding
children with their extremely high early mortality rate).
Is there nothing in the extensive prologue, dedication, notes which
give some idea of his history?
Martyn
--- On Wed, 2/1/13, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Fuenllana
To: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 2 January, 2013, 14:33
Does anyone have any dates for Fuenllana. I have just come
across
a
source which gives them as c.1500-1579. It seems unlikely to me
that
he would have lived to be 79... Groves gives fl. 1553-1578.
Monica
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