I vote for accumulated time dilation that unbalances one of the spatial axii wrt radiation pressure – the geometry and the microwave energy conspire to slightly segregate the vacuum density in the cavity and the radiation path slightly prefers one region of segregation over the other, bouncing around in resonance it slowly accumulates a time dilation and a corresponding imbalance in radiation pressure wrt spatial axii.
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) OK. I have always seen evidence that linear and angular momentums are orthogonal to each other somewhat like sine waves and cosine waves. Each one is conserved independently of the other. This is a classical viewpoint so perhaps there may exist a quantum mechanical version that is different, but I am not aware of that case. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com<mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2016 4:14 pm Subject: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) Dave-- I agree with your comment—note I suggested it SEEMS to happen. The real issue is what happens in a coherent system. Can a nano particle convert spin—angular momentum--- to linear momentum? Bob Cook From: David Roberson<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:49 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) Bob, if you take the kid and merry-go-round as a system in free space it can be shown that both linear and angular momentum are conserved. The interaction with the Earth makes it less clear. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com<mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2016 11:22 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) It may be that the intrinsic spin (and angular momentum) of a particle is converted preferentially to a particle with linear momentum in the direction of a magnetic field. In this case there would be no apparent conservation of linear momentum. This seems to happen in macroscopic systems—a kid running and jumping on a merry-go-round to make it go faster. It may only require a QM coherent system to produce linear momentum from scratch in the EM drive devices. It’s all about spin... Bob Cook From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:12 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:EM Drive(s) From: Vibrator ! > So an EM drive in a lab cannot show an energy asymmetry because it can't > accelerate anywhere. That does not add up logically or scientifically… Despite conflicting claims, no one has yet “busted” all of the positive results, which are probably about “chirality” more so than any other anomaly. Newton may not apply fully to chiral systems and possibly not the Laws of thermodynamics either. That is why this field is of great interest to LENR. Or… based on your ‘handle,’ is this a lead-in to the Mythbuster lesson? OK, I’ll bite: here is the reference to the small and large scale analogies of violating Newton’s law by “blowing your own sail” expressed in the Mythbuster videos which have a broader message to offer the microwavers (e.g. oscillate (vibrate) the magnetron beam, around the axial vector) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXMTzMQWjo&html5=1 If the EM drive is valid, it can be demonstrated beyond doubt in a Lab model, like the sail analogy. It’s probably a cop-out to dream up a lame excuse otherwise. The lesson from the sails, which seems to be missing from the failed experiments with microwaves - is that you have to find the symmetry break – and therefore - need to vector thrust slightly on your virtual sail, prior to reflection in a way that maximizes the chiral anomaly. Ron Kita may want to expound on this subject, but chirality is the symmetry breaking property of some reflected systems which encompasses variation from a mirror image- which is the simplified version. LENR can be looked at as a reflected system of hydrogen oscillating between dense and ambient states. The larger question for LENR is this: is the thermal anomaly of Ni-H (as a non-fusion reaction) explainable as the impedance gap in the Chiral anomaly (of hydrogen oscillating between dense and inflated states around 13.6 eV) … as expounded in the first graph of the Cameron paper? http://vixra.org/pdf/1408.0109v4.pdf Or alternatively, does an additional Lamb shift modality of the type that Haisch claims also enter into the picture as gain from hydrogen oscillation between two asymmetric states? It’s all about spin…
