Does anyone understand how 75% of the particles produced are neutral with 
significant kinetic energy?  It would seem that the neutral particles must come 
from decay of another particle with significant kinetic energy to start with, 
and that the neutral particle shares some of that energy and momentum  upon 
decay. 

Fast neutrons are produced in a fission reaction, however, I am not sure about 
the mechanism involved.    
It may be that the Holmild reaction is similar to a fission reaction.  

Neutral muons may also be the neutral particles. See:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02785489


Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:32 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

I would guesstimate that 99% of the energy output of a LENR reactor comes in 
the form of muons that will decay into electrons. Rossi says that his QuarkX 
reactor produces 20% of it COP as electric power (aka electrons).

The QuarkX reactor must produce huge amounts of muons for all those electrons 
to form so close to the meson shower.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
The muons that penetrate the body can not be a good thing especially if the 
muons produce ionization inside the body. Muons from space produce 1/2 of the 
background radiation load. This is why I have predicted that the high powered 
LENR reactor will be heavily shielded, maybe placed underground, maybe shielded 
with iron ore to keep the radiation loading down.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
This brings up the down side of LENR. LENR produce intense ionization produced 
by muons far from the reaction. Many experimenters have complained about this 
intense ionization which makes electronics useless.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

You still are not making the correct and  important distinctions from this 
paper. 
This may sound pedantic but "decay" is not the same thing as "annihilation." If 
is important to use the correct semantics here.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_decay
1) Mesons are derived from annihilation of the proton, NOT decay of protons. 
2) Mesons decay to muons. Muons decay to lighter leptons.
3) Protons do not decay. At least not in 10^29 years - far longer than the age 
of the Universe
4) A laser pulse is required to produce the annihilation event in protons - the 
weak force is not involved at this point.
4) A huge amount of energy is produced from annihilation, much more than any 
decay event. 
5) This energy is generally NOT USABLE as the muons disperse far from the 
reactor.
6) To obtain usable energy, then actual fusion must be incorporated into the 
system.
7) Fusion of deuterons is a secondary effect of muons, which catalyze deuterons.
8) Without fusion the energy of the muon decay is essentially lost hundreds of 
meters away.
7) Because deuterium fusion in this case produces charged particles of >3 MeV - 
that energy can be captured and not lost. There are few gammas.
Thus we have a catch-22 scenario. The extreme energy of proton annihilation to 
mesons and muons is difficult to capture, and thus breakeven or net gain 
requires a secondary reaction - fusion - using deuterium. As of now, Holmlid 
has not shown a way to reach breakeven without deuterium fusion being the 
primary source of USABLE energy.

On 1/19/2017 12:00 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Holmlid states as follows: 

The state s = 1 may lead to a fast nuclear reaction. It is suggested that this 
involves two nucleons, probably two protons. The first particles formed and 
observed [16,17] are kaons, both neutral and charged, and also pions. From the 
six quarks in the two protons, three kaons can be formed in the interaction. 
Two protons correspond to a mass of 1.88 GeV while three kaons correspond to 
1.49 GeV. Thus, the transition 2 p → 3 K is downhill in internal energy and 
releases 390 MeV. If pions are formed directly, the energy release may be even 
larger. The kaons formed decay normally in various processes to charged pions 
and muons. In the present experiments, the decay of kaons and pions is observed 
directly normally through their decay to muons, while the muons leave the 
chamber before they decay due to their easier penetration and much longer 
lifetime.

Holmlid recognized that the DECAY of protons is where the mesons come from. 
This decay is a weak force reaction in which a huge amount of energy is 
produced...(1.88 GeV while three kaons correspond to 1.49 GeV).

Deuterium has nothing to do with proton decay. The protium nanoparticle can 
produce proton decay just as well as deuterium. The protium nanoparticle will 
still produce the 1,88 GeV as well as the deuterium nanoparticle.

Fusion is just as secondary side issue.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
 Axil Axil wrote:
The first reaction to occur is meson production which as nothing to do with 
fusion:

Well, that is partially true - mesons come first after the laser pulse. No one 
cares, since mesons have incredibly short lifetimes.

The main point is that mesons very quickly into muons. Muons catalyze fusion in 
deuterium.

Muon catalyzed fusion has been known for 75 years. It would be next to 
impossible to avoid fusion when muons and deuterons are both present.

The bottom line is this: if there is to be net gain, deuterium must be used 
because fusion provides the usable gain - not mesons or muons which decay too 
far away to provide gain.

Jones






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