More on gamma from LENR from Ed Storms https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ba21/eab904a52374a7fd9a10a498bcff62f82552.pdf
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > More on gamma from LENR > > http://coldfusion3.com/blog/smoking-gun-of-lenr- > fleischmann-project-results-duplicated-in-one-day-celani- > cell-verified-as-lenr-device > > > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed the >> production of either heat or gamma radiation but not both at the same time, >> if memory serves. >> >> >> >> From the demo of the first one liter Rossi reactor during the time at >> startup when the lattice was cold, a massive radiation burst appeared >> for a second or two. From this, I deduce that the energy production >> mechanism will generate large amounts of radiation if the lattice is cold >> and the phonons present in the lattice are not energetic enough. >> >> >> >> One problem of that early design was the generation of bursts of >> radiation during startup and shutdown. I assume that the lattice was >> cold at those times. >> >> >> >> Rossi was greatly concerned by these radiation bursts, and changed his >> design so that an external heater warmed the nickel lattice before the >> reaction begins. >> >> >> >> This tells me that there is a second quantum mechanical reaction that >> converts the radiation generated in the metal atom’s nucleus to thermal >> energy within the lattice. >> >> >> >> The lack of radioactive decay products after the Rossi reactor is shut >> down also speaks to a radiation thermalization mechanism rather than a >> radiation suppression mechanism. >> >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> MORE... >>> >>> In this Focardi >>> <http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf> >>> experiment, >>> when gamma radiation was generated, excess was not generated. This leads to >>> the observation that the Polariton BEC is the mechanism that transforms the >>> nuclear energy produced in the LENR reaction into heat. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gamma radiation does appear when a BEC is not formed between the SPPs >>>> involved in a LENR reaction. Yes, the LENR reaction can produce gamma >>>> radiation when the SPPs are not pumped to a level sufficient to establish a >>>> Polariton BEC. This is why a cold LENR reaction will produce Gamma >>>> radiation and a Hot LENR reaction will not produce Gamma radiation. >>>> >>>> See >>>> >>>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-Eviden >>>> ceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Harry, You seem to be suggesting that the experiments in France could >>>>> be operating by (inadvertently) storing applied energy in nuclei for later >>>>> release - at least as an alternate explanation for the two runs which >>>>> showed gain after months of what looks very much like a battery being >>>>> charged. >>>>> >>>>> As unlikely as this possibility may sound at first to a proponent of >>>>> cold fusion - the mechanism has not been eliminated. In fact, it may be >>>>> more physical than suggesting nuclear fusion without radiation, since it >>>>> involves "one less miracle." >>>>> >>>>> For instance, the weak nuclear force has two poorly understood >>>>> properties - weak hypercharge and weak isospin -- either of which (or >>>>> both) >>>>> arguably could be boosted or pumped up by electrical current flow (in >>>>> palladium electrolysis) over time and then the accumulated energy released >>>>> later. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, the weak force could even supply helium (which does not come >>>>> from fusion but from alpha decay of the heavier palladium isotope after >>>>> months of "hypercharging" ;-) >>>>> >>>>> This "weak force pumping" rationale, having its main validity based on >>>>> our lack of understanding of the weak force - indicates how little is >>>>> known >>>>> about the underlying mechanisms for the unpredictable gain of cold fusion. >>>>> There could be many. The appearance of helium should never lead to the >>>>> reflexive conclusion of fusion, that is- when gamma radiation is absent. >>>>> >>>>> BTW - In terms of defining an anomaly such as the one in question, >>>>> "average" gain may not be as meaningful as peak intermittent gain, but in >>>>> terms of a parameter which is leading towards commercialization - it is >>>>> really the only meaningful metric. Is there any indication anywhere that >>>>> LENR is closer to commercialization than it was in 1989 ? >>>>> H LV wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jed Rothwell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jones Beene wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The intractable problem in cold fusion is that this "hero effort" - >>>>>>> the very best result to have occurred in 28 years was itself little more >>>>>>> than a yawner. People tend to forget that this result (almost 300 MJ of >>>>>>> gain) was statistically very close to a null result in total (as an >>>>>>> average) and it did not point the way to a useful device. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Average" is not meaningful in this context. The experiment produced >>>>>> no heat for a while, then it turned on and produced ~100 W for 30 days in >>>>>> one test and 70 days in another. Computing the average including the time >>>>>> before it turned on would be like computing the average speed of an >>>>>> airplane including the time it is sitting at the gate and the time >>>>>> waiting >>>>>> in line to take off. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no energy storage during the time before it turns on. We >>>>>> know there is none because the energy balance is zero, and because you >>>>>> cannot store that much energy. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Jed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "You cannot store that much energy" is working hypothesis. >>>>> That much energy could be stored in nuclei. >>>>> Is it such a leap to go from speculating about how energy can leave >>>>> the nucleus by imaging the nucleus as coupled to the lattice, to >>>>> speculating how energy can enter the nucleus by imagining another coupling >>>>> mechanism? Imagine a pendulum clock designed to work in reverse where >>>>> externally driven oscillations of the pendulum from outside the clock >>>>> serve >>>>> to wind the clock up. >>>>> >>>>> Harry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
