It could also mean that one way to get LENR reactions started is with the endothermic alpha capture process.
On Monday, June 5, 2017, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > MORE... > > In this Focardi > <http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf> > experiment, > when gamma radiation was generated, excess was not generated. This leads to > the observation that the Polariton BEC is the mechanism that transforms the > nuclear energy produced in the LENR reaction into heat. > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Gamma radiation does appear when a BEC is not formed between the SPPs >> involved in a LENR reaction. Yes, the LENR reaction can produce gamma >> radiation when the SPPs are not pumped to a level sufficient to establish a >> Polariton BEC. This is why a cold LENR reaction will produce Gamma >> radiation and a Hot LENR reaction will not produce Gamma radiation. >> >> See >> >> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-Eviden >> ceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf >> >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jone...@pacbell.net');>> wrote: >> >>> Harry, You seem to be suggesting that the experiments in France could be >>> operating by (inadvertently) storing applied energy in nuclei for later >>> release - at least as an alternate explanation for the two runs which >>> showed gain after months of what looks very much like a battery being >>> charged. >>> >>> As unlikely as this possibility may sound at first to a proponent of >>> cold fusion - the mechanism has not been eliminated. In fact, it may be >>> more physical than suggesting nuclear fusion without radiation, since it >>> involves "one less miracle." >>> >>> For instance, the weak nuclear force has two poorly understood >>> properties - weak hypercharge and weak isospin -- either of which (or both) >>> arguably could be boosted or pumped up by electrical current flow (in >>> palladium electrolysis) over time and then the accumulated energy released >>> later. >>> >>> In fact, the weak force could even supply helium (which does not come >>> from fusion but from alpha decay of the heavier palladium isotope after >>> months of "hypercharging" ;-) >>> >>> This "weak force pumping" rationale, having its main validity based on >>> our lack of understanding of the weak force - indicates how little is known >>> about the underlying mechanisms for the unpredictable gain of cold fusion. >>> There could be many. The appearance of helium should never lead to the >>> reflexive conclusion of fusion, that is- when gamma radiation is absent. >>> >>> BTW - In terms of defining an anomaly such as the one in question, >>> "average" gain may not be as meaningful as peak intermittent gain, but in >>> terms of a parameter which is leading towards commercialization - it is >>> really the only meaningful metric. Is there any indication anywhere that >>> LENR is closer to commercialization than it was in 1989 ? >>> H LV wrote: >>> >>> >>> Jed Rothwell wrote: >>> >>>> Jones Beene wrote: >>>> >>>> The intractable problem in cold fusion is that this "hero effort" - the >>>>> very best result to have occurred in 28 years was itself little more than >>>>> a >>>>> yawner. People tend to forget that this result (almost 300 MJ of gain) was >>>>> statistically very close to a null result in total (as an average) and it >>>>> did not point the way to a useful device. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Average" is not meaningful in this context. The experiment produced no >>>> heat for a while, then it turned on and produced ~100 W for 30 days in one >>>> test and 70 days in another. Computing the average including the time >>>> before it turned on would be like computing the average speed of an >>>> airplane including the time it is sitting at the gate and the time waiting >>>> in line to take off. >>>> >>>> There is no energy storage during the time before it turns on. We know >>>> there is none because the energy balance is zero, and because you cannot >>>> store that much energy. >>>> >>>> - Jed >>>> >>>> >>> >>> "You cannot store that much energy" is working hypothesis. >>> That much energy could be stored in nuclei. >>> Is it such a leap to go from speculating about how energy can leave the >>> nucleus by imaging the nucleus as coupled to the lattice, to speculating >>> how energy can enter the nucleus by imagining another coupling mechanism? >>> Imagine a pendulum clock designed to work in reverse where externally >>> driven oscillations of the pendulum from outside the clock serve to wind >>> the clock up. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
