On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/20 Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net>:
I am amazed why do you have so much difficulties to admit that
there is a
correlation between steam production rate (i.e. pressure) and
enthalpy? Do
you discard it only because you were unable to come up with the idea
yourself?
There is a correlation between how fast a vehicle drives and how
much gas it
uses. This correlation means nothing with regards to mileage the
vehicle
gets. The vehicle could be a Prius which gets 50 miles per gallon
(21
km/liter) , or an army tank which gets 3 gallons per mile (0.142
km/liter).
The problem is insufficient known variables.
Your analog is perfect and i could come up better analogy myself. Here
indeed is the key point of your misunderstanding. Idea is that we
should measure the Prius' fuel consumption rate in different
velocities. We can measure the fuel consumption rate for the
velocities of 200 km/h, 150 km/h, 130 km/h, 100 km/h, 55 mph, 10 m/s,
etc. Then we have enough data points to find best fitted function that
expresses the relationship between fuel consumption and the speed.
Then afterwards we can just measure the speed of Prius and we can find
out the fuel consumption rate for any speed e.g. 70 km/h and also we
can let Prius running overnight and then later examine from the speed
logger how much fuel Prius consumed during the overnight run.
I am familiar with multivariate regression analysis. It is of
comparatively little use when there are missing critical variables.
Your approach will tell us nothing about the army tank. Best to
simply *directly* measure the fuel consumption for each vehicle don't
you think? That is the simple approach. Best to use standard methods
to perform calorimetry directly on each E-cat output, and not rely on
insufficient data, hidden instruments or guesses as to what is inside
a black box.
You are just utterly mistaken here. Period.
My goodness, how unscientific.
Please do not invent silly
excuses, because you are just digging yourself even deeper into quick
sand. You have mistaken and insulting me indirectly does not gain for
you any further respect. It is irrelevant what words do you have for
insulting. Only thing that matter is that how Lawrence perceives them.
–Jouni
Again, what specifically that I wrote do you find insulting? If what
you have written appears to me to not be based in reality, am I not
allowed to voice that opinion? If I think something is not based in
reality is it an error to call it a fantasy? Is it insulting to you
when I disagree with you?
I think my conclusion was good: "None of this indicates for sure
whether Rossi has anything of value or not. Maybe he does. The
continued failure to obtain independent high quality input and output
energy measurements prevents the public from knowing. Since the
public is being kept in the dark, the months of fluffy bluster does,
however, tip the scales more strongly toward a negative verdict. What
a pity and waste of valuable time this is for Rossi if there really
is something extraordinary going on in the E-cat. Hopefully the 1 MW
unit test will provide economical steam for a very long period."
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
