JC: Thx for the explanations, relevant or not, however, I still think that the discussion wandered from my initial point, which was, given proper conditions, one can disrupt the natural balance within a nucleus and cause unexpected results using much lower levels of energy by using resonance rather than brute force. I have to spend time on paid work so let's just agree to disagree.
Aside from that, your comment that the large accelerators go way beyond the energy necessary for overcoming the Coulomb Barrier seems to be only partially right. In the following article, the physicist states: "In other words, even the most massive stars, at the incredible pressures and temperatures found at their cores, cannot fuse nickel and hydrogen nuclei together." http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_w e.php?utm_source=feedburner <http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_ we.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Sciencebl ogsChannelEnvironment+%28ScienceBlogs+Channel+%3A+Environment%29> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScienceblogsChannelEnvironment+%28Sci enceBlogs+Channel+%3A+Environment%29 So, even the most powerful accelerator built cannot overcome the CB for the vast majority of atomic elements. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: I would have thought with my clear statements about using extremely intense magnetic fields and smashing particles head on at extremely high velocities, it would have been obvious that I was referring to something specific, What specific, exactly? and not a 'general' concept of resonance. Why does nuclear physics use (BRUTE FORCE) particle accelerators? Because they are boxed in by the thought that the ONLY way to overcome the coulomb barrier is extreme force. You know, you don't need much energy (on the scale of accelerators) to overcome the Coulomb barrier; that's why you can buy bench top neutron sources that use ordinary fusion produced by accelerating deuterons through a simple electric field. The energy in big accelerators is needed to produce more exotic reactions and particles that don't exist in nature (except in stars or supernovae). Well, ya, that certainly is one way, but my point is that one could achieve the same end using much more modest energies if the device used resonance. The device does use resonance. But if you've got a way to look for the Higg's boson without big accelerators, you're a shoo-in for a nobel prize. I'm honored to have argued with you. But, as I said before, just saying "resonance" doesn't make something possible. You're going to have to be specific, or there's no cigar. That's all. it's certainly not meant to be a full blown explanation of exactly how to achieve that. No. It's not an explanation at all. It's just a vague wish. It's like saying we'll use zero-point energy, or pink unicorns, without any concept of how exactly. So how do particle accelerators use resonance to overcome electrostatic repulsion? Again, accelerators are many orders of magnitude beyond breaching the Coulomb barrier. But, as one example, from the first sentence in wikipedia on cyclotrons: "Ion cyclotron resonance is a phenomenon related to the movement of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ions> ions in a <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> magnetic field. It is used for accelerating ions in a <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron> cyclotron,..." Or in the article on particle accelerators: "As the particles approach the speed of light the switching rate of the electric fields becomes so high that they operate at microwave frequencies, and so <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_resonator> RF cavity resonators are used in higher energy machines instead of simple plates." Basically, in any cyclic accelerator, the acceleration has to be in sync (resonance) with the particle motion. Otherwise there's interference and dissipation.
