JoJo I can understand your feelings toward DGT. There have been many questionable actions attributed to them to date, but I am assuming most of these are due to misunderstandings between the parties. If indeed they did milk Rossi for his IP and then rush away to improve upon it and left him standing in the cold, then that would be a serious breech of etiquette. I rather suspect that they truly thought that Rossi was further along in his development than was reality. He has a certain knack for making it appear that everything is proceeding remarkable well when in fact major issues remain to be resolved.
If DGT was expecting a stable product from Rossi that would operate for 48 plus hours(?) without interruption then they most likely were let down. It appears that he was not quite there at the time and they decided that they could proceed alone. I can not honestly blame them for following that path if they were making investments and public announcements based upon questionable facts. The basic structure of these devices is fairly simple to manufacture if one uncovers a few key parts. As we know Rossi has been reluctant to reveal his catalyst since he realizes that anyone can build them with the correct knowledge. All of mankind will benefit from LENR products provided that the cost of the devices is not artificially elevated. We must do everything within our capacity to ensure that a few do not dominate this technology at the expense of the many needy people of the world. There will be enough demand for these new products to make many wealthy for many years to come as they compete with each other and keep the cost in check. Exit stage left..... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Dave, I appreciate your comments. My opinion of DGT was heavily influenced by one of the earlier Xanthoulis interviews where he admitted to have gained access, by subterfuge, the identity of Rossi's catalyst. The guy practically admitted he stole Rossi's Intellectual Property. Now, after having stolen the idea, they are claiming that their process is their own innovation. Yes, they have better reactors, but only because they have a lot of engineers working at these control issues. But make no mistake about this. DGT reactor technology was stolen from Rossi. This was the seed for my negative feelings about DGT, and everything they have done to date has only served to reinforce that feeling. And until they can prove otherwise, their behavior is worthy of contempt. To add insult to injury, they now compete with Rossi. Even Stremmenos seems upset at DGT's behavior, and being an insider, he is in a position to know the truth. This gives credence to his assessment of DGT; heavily influencing my opinion of that company. When one of the insiders, a member of the board, openly criticizes your companies' behavior, there has got to be something to it. Otherwise, you just can't explain Stremmenos' behavior any other logical and consistent way. And to me, Stremmenos has infinitely more credibility than Xanthoulis. When a board member essentially says, it's a company of crooks (hyperbole and overemphasis is used liberally here.), I tend to believe it. Who knows if DGT even had the original intention to ever work with Rossi. Me Thinks, they just partnered with Rossi until they can discover the secret catalyst. And based on my understanding of the timeline (someone correct me.), the divorce occured shortly after Rossi submitted his ash for spectral analysis. This little fact seems to strengthen my original thesis. Respect for DGT will come when they start acting and doing things that will earn them respect. Like behave honestly, for a change. Why do I despise DGT so much? Because I despise dishonesty and dishonest men. Is Rossi right to call these folks snakes and clowns? ... you betcha. Is Rossi acting dishonestly also? You betcha. But at least Rossi did not steal anyone's ideas or stabbed anyone in the back. Rossi is just acting to protect his interest. And he has provided proof, albeit not the proof that pseudo-skeptics would like. Jojo PS. 70% chance they will withdraw from ICCF17. And by this, I don't necessarily mean physically withdraw from the conference. This could include withdrawal of essential data that would essentially render their participation a mockery of the process and the goals people are trying to achieve in that conference. In other words, severely incomplete and censored data. In other words, they are simply using ICCF17 to advance their own agenda like they did with Rossi. Anyone willing to bet a steak lunch over this? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Jojo, you are entitled to your opinions of the parties involved in this shaky afair. I feel that DGT should be given a bit of respect since they seem to have moved forward a major distance in their design . Do you feel that you stole Rossi's design and are just making improvements upon what he has initiated? I believe that most important discoveries of the past have been followed closely by new patents offering improvements that make the final device more useful. Of course we all know that Rossi himself is standing upon the shoulders of all of those before him as the saying goes. I believe that Rossi deserves to make a modest fortune for his championship of the LENR field in the recent past and it is important to reward him and others who have worked so hard to bring forward this important technology that is so world changing. I do not believe that these people deserve to have total control over the fortunes of the rest of mankind by defeating the competition with legal authority. Let competition determine their rewards to the major extent and may the best products prevail. DGT is not a company of crooks as far as I can determine. Neither is Rossi or the other researchers trying to cash in on these products. We should reserve judgement until the facts become clear and they are entitled to that level of respect. Later, we might agree to hold them in contempt, but for now lets cheer them on. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:15 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Peter, when someone has a technology that is as revolutionary as Commercial-level LENR as DGT has, they cease to have this implied protection anymore. LENR is a symbol and icon of hope for many many people. DGT has a social and ethical responsibility to address people's concern about it. If DGT does not feel it is their responsibility; then they should stop danggling a carrot in front of a hungry world. A world hungry for LENR technology. It is cruel and unethical to danggle food in front of hungry orphans. A sane and reasonable man would not do this, and yet both DGT and Rossi feel that this is their right. If they do not want to have to explain their technology, then stop teasing people with it. DGT and Rossi has been the recipient of people's ire because of this. And you, having participated in this, will receive people's ire. You can not do this and expect people would reciprocate you with respect. You get what your actions dictate; the same respect one gets when one danggle food in front of hungry orphans. I stand by my original assessement. DGT is a company of crooks headed by a person who practically admitted to stealing another's IP and come out with a straight face. Unbelievable how you think this company deserves our continuing adoration and attention. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Dear Steven, This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost equally interesting is their contribution to understanding of LENR Then they will publish more data, independent ones included. Their strategy is their strategy and that's not a tautology. Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious and unpatient. Peter On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent > data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers. > in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA > with them. Hi Peter, I assume the biggest complaint that will be raised on this matter is the fact that not having at our disposal sufficient "independent data" to collaborate Defkalion's claims reduces the authenticity of such claims. Skeptics will immediately focus on such issues, as is their right to do so. If we don't have "independent data" how do we go about assessing the merits of whether Defkalion's claims are accurate? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
