why not a vote 2012/8/8 Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
> When is US soil US soil? > > Would a person be ineligible if the soil he was born on only became US > soil after the person's birth? > And what if the soil ceased being US soil after he was born? > > Instead of a simplistic rule, there should be some meaningful criteria > for deciding eligibility. > > Harry > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Michele Comitini > <michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jojo, > > > > I know US president must be born on US soil. > > I do not know enough about Citizenship law to know if the mother was > > eligible to confer Citizenship to her son, she was 18 at the time. > > Reading wikipedia seems to say she was eligible in 1961, but as we > > know wikipedia is far from complete. > > > > mic > > > > > > > > 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com>: > >> Michele, two things: > >> > >> First, the Immigration laws were a bit different in 1963. Stanley Ann > >> Dunham was too young to have conferred to Bambi U.S. Citizenship at that > >> time. > >> > >> Second, Mere U.S. Citizenship does not qualify one to be President. The > >> founding fathers specifically included "Natural Born" U.S. citizenship > as a > >> qualification for being POTUS. I trust you know the difference between > a > >> U.S. Citizen and a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. Even if bambi was a U.S. > >> citizen (that fact alone is in doubt); he would still not be qualified > >> unless he was Natural Born U.S. Citizen. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Jojo > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Comitini" > >> <michele.comit...@gmail.com> > >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:14 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we > are > >> crazy > >> > >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2012/8/8 MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>: > >>> > >>> Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about… > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> “His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US > citizenship. > >>> No > >>> conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that they want their > >>> grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.” > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Agreed. His mother was Caucasian and from the US (she was born > here), so > >>> it certainly is likely that *if* she was returning to the USA > >>> *permanently*, and with baby Barack, she would have wanted for him to > be a > >>> U.S. Citizen. If I was a parent in that situation, I sure as heck > would… > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I’m sure his parents were NOT thinking anything about their son being > >>> POTUS > >>> someday, obviously, but as explained, there is NO need to bring up the > “in > >>> case he wanted to become President someday” argument… there is reason > >>> enough > >>> by just coming here. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If that was you bringing in your newborn, would you not want your > child to > >>> be a US citizen? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I must confess, I have only looked at a limited amount of the arguments > >>> and > >>> evidence about the whole issue, so am on the fence so far… perhaps > after > >>> the > >>> next election we’ll find out? Or not… > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Mark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:02 PM > >>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we > are > >>> crazy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Straw Man argument. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all > >>> births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth > to > >>> Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in > Hawaii. > >>> Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth. Funny > >>> though > >>> cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's parents. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly > conspired > >>> to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be president. > >>> That's a straw man. His grandparents were not dumb and knew the > benefits > >>> of US citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only > that > >>> they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still > >>> secret. He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single > phone > >>> call to release his vault BC. Why hasn't he done it? All your > eloquent > >>> reasons will not overcome this simple fact. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jojo > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > >
