That is incorrect Ron. A child of one US citizen does not automatically
become a US citizen. He has to choose which parent's citizenship he wants
when he reaches 21. Besides, Stanley Ann Dunham was too young to have
conferred US citizenship to Bambi when he was born. And a Dual Citizen is
classified automatically as NOT a Natural-Born US Citizen.
A child born out of 2 US citizens but born out of US soil, can be a US
citizen but not a Natural-Born US Citizen
A child born in US soil, but to non-US citizens, may become a US citizen but
not a Natural-Born US Citizen.
A child born in US soil, but to only 1 US citizen parent, must choose which
citizenship he wants when he reaches 21. He may choose both and become a
Dual Citizen, but he is certainly NOT a Natural-Born US citizen.
But mere US citizenship does not qualify one to be president. He has to be
Natural-Born US citizen. Which means a child of 2 US citizens and born on
US soil.
One theory says that a Natural Born US Citizen is one wherein he does not
have to take any special action to "get" his US citizenship. If Bambi has
to choose US Citizenship, then he is automatically not a Natural-Born US
citizen. And this would be the case with Bambi, because he was an
Indonesian Citizen when he was a child. But since, he was not yet 21 at
that time, he did not have to make a specific choice. When he reached 21,
he should have made that choice. If he did not, then he is still an Illegal
Alien in this country. But none of this can be resolved because
criminal-in-chief has a "gag" order on all agencies and private entities to
keep his records secret. Question is, WHY?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Wormus" <prot...@frii.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are
crazy
As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a
citizen regardless of location of birth. I have grand daughters born in
Switzerland who have dual citizenship.
Ron
--On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:31 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint
<zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:
Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about…
"His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US
citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that
they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason."
Agreed. His mother was Caucasian and from the US (she was born here),
so it certainly is likely that *if* she was returning to the USA
*permanently*, and with baby Barack, she would have wanted for him to be
a U.S. Citizen. If I was a parent in that situation, I sure as heck
would…
I'm sure his parents were NOT thinking anything about their son being
POTUS someday, obviously, but as explained, there is NO need to bring up
the "in case he wanted to become President someday" argument…
there is reason enough by just coming here.
If that was you bringing in your newborn, would you not want your child
to be a US citizen?
I must confess, I have only looked at a limited amount of the arguments
and evidence about the whole issue, so am on the fence so far… perhaps
after the next election we'll find out? Or not…
-Mark
From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
are crazy
Straw Man argument.
First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all
births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth to
Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in Hawaii.
Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth. Funny
though cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's
parents.
Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly
conspired to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be
president. That's a straw man. His grandparents were not dumb and
knew the benefits of US citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to
be invoked, only that they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is
good enough a reason.
But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still
secret. He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single phone
call to release his vault BC. Why hasn't he done it? All your eloquent
reasons will not overcome this simple fact.
Jojo
