I think it is cheaper to build a huge dam. 2012/10/8 Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> The *Central Artery/Tunnel Project* (*CA/T*), known unofficially as the *Big > Dig*, was a megaproject in Boston that rerouted the Central Artery > (Interstate 93), the chief highway through the heart of the city, into a > 3.5-mile (5.6-km) tunnel > > *The Boston Globe* estimated that the project will ultimately cost $22 > billion, including interest, and that it will not be paid off until 2038. > > > What will it cost to move the world trade center, wall street in NY, all > the airports on the east and west coasts, all the costal sea ports, the > railroads, the highways, the water and sanitary systems...it goes on and on > into the 1000's of billions. > > > Cheers: Axil > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:01 PM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Or possibly beneath the oceans, floating on the oceans or in the air if >> energy is free... >> >> We still need to deal with asteroid & dark matter strikes. I think we >> can head off the worst ones with gravitational redirection if we can detect >> them early enough in space. Although I think the biggest current problem >> is the sun is pelting us with most of the dark matter during high solar >> activity and that might be very hard to stop given the relatively short >> distance & time. >> >> My research is leading me to believe the 1811 comet was actually a >> primordial black hole that tore up New Madrid, Ark. for 3 months and was >> witnessed by Napoleon and his troops It triggered 7 years of extreme >> volcanism and climate change as well. It was observed for almost 10 months >> in the sky before it or an orbital partner struck earth. They get hotter >> as they get smaller so they are easier to detect. >> >> My research is also telling me we cannot stockpile any spent nuclear fuel >> because at any given time orbital dark matter could cause it to go >> critical. Similar to the current events in Bayou Corne, LA. with >> underground storage of hydrocarbons only probably much worse. >> >> Cold fusion seems to match most closely with hot dark matter which is >> known to trigger beta decays. >> >> Peurto Rico has had approx 900 mini earthquakes in the past six weeks and >> they are continuing. I am still looking for a low pressure system to move >> in. >> >> Stewart >> Http://darkmattersalot.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 7, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: >> >>> In a few hundred years, the coastal nations of the world will be >>> required to move their coastal cities inland 100 miles more or less to keep >>> their cities above water. Robots cannot do that sort of construction. >>> >>> >>> Cheers: Axil >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Nigel Dyer <l...@thedyers.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am not sure that it will go anything like as far as you believe Jed, >>>>> but some elements are already present. >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not think there is any technical reason why things will not go as >>>> far as I predict, or even farther to the "brain in the bottle" predicted by >>>> Orwell. However, social forces may prevent it. People may decide they do >>>> not want this. As Orwell shows, this might be a wise choice. Politics or >>>> greed may interfere. Civilization may suffer some catastrophe, and a new >>>> Dark Ages. >>>> >>>> If people such as Frank Close and Robert Park remain in charge of >>>> scientific research, they will succeed in stopping cold fusion. Such people >>>> at heart are opposed to all new ideas and all progress. >>>> >>>> To take a more extreme case, in the U.S. we are plagued with people >>>> such as Rep. Paul Broun on the House Science Committee. He "told a >>>> church-sponsored banquet in his home state of Georgia that the theories of >>>> evolution and the big bang are 'lies straight from the pit of hell.'" With >>>> enough leaders like that over a few centuries, I suppose the U.S. would >>>> gradually devolve into something resembling Afghanistan. I am not >>>> exaggerating. >>>> >>>> I assume that if Broun had his way, we would not teach these things in >>>> schools. In Texas they are working vigorously to eliminate them. This is >>>> like throwing acid into the faces of girls who try to learn to read, the >>>> way the Taliban does. You cannot have a high tech society run by lunatics >>>> who prevent people from learning the fundamental laws of science. >>>> >>>> >>>> . . . maybe people would prefer to be in work, even if it is digging >>>>> trenches . . . >>>> >>>> >>>> What would be the point? In what sense would that be "work"? It would >>>> be a useless waste of time, and an insult. Even if the task had some >>>> purpose, we all know that a machine can do it far better. It would be like >>>> having people work in banks keeping accounts with a paper and pencil, doing >>>> arithmetic by hand. We all know that a computer costing a few hundred >>>> dollars can do more arithmetic in a single second than a person can do in a >>>> lifetime. That knowledge would make the task a crushing burden. >>>> >>>> We must make a "human use of human beings" as N. Weiner put it. The >>>> problem is that the scope of human uses for human beings is getting >>>> narrower and narrower. >>>> >>>> The problem was masterfully laid out by Orwell in "The Road to Wigan >>>> Pier" (referenced above). Here is how I would describe it: >>>> >>>> When only a person can do a task, and no machine is capable of it, is >>>> is ennobling work. It gives purpose and meaning to life. When a machine can >>>> do it far more cheaper, faster and better than a human, that same task then >>>> becomes worse than slavery. >>>> >>>> I do not see any easy solutions to this problem. I don't think it will >>>> go away on its own. >>>> >>>> Having said that, I think there are still many jobs that can only be >>>> done by people, and that people on welfare should be given. For example, >>>> taking care of elderly people or children, cleaning up and repairing parks >>>> and public places, building houses for poor people in projects like >>>> "Habitat for Humanity" and so on. Some of this work is menial but at >>>> present no robot can do it, so it still has dignity. >>>> >>>> - Jed >>>> >>>> >>> > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
