Dave, The room temperature of the EU cell environment isn't constant as it is for the US cell. This variation might as well also contribute to "excite" the excess heat to occur.
Problem with US cell is that, in my opinion, they put too much current on the active wire which is then fried. But that's only my point of view. I had a look on the excel tool you had made. I understand well the a, b, and c constants and also the time delay constant. I've a bit more difficulty to understand the rest of the computation of the other constants. To be honest, I didn't get in deeper. Arnaud ________________________________________ From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: dimanche 3 février 2013 18:05 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I just took a quick look at the calibration conditions for the EU cell and am not convinced that it is recent and quiet enough to allow my program to accurately estimate the performance. If they decide to perform a careful test run such as the recent one for the USA cell, then perhaps that will be the time to re evaluate it. I am concerned about the apparent large variation in temperature that most likely is a result of outside factors. It is difficult to maintain control of the environment as the guys working in the US have found. They have labored endlessly to smooth out the cells performance as nature has thrown hard balls in their direction. If further evidence appears that suggests that the EU experiment is under much tighter control, then we can process the raw data productively. I am currently awaiting information from the US team regarding the AFC operation which might be what is needed in order to accurately verify excess power. If you believe that I have rushed to judgement please help me to find the information that is needed for us to work with the EU data. The more experiments that are performed, the more likely it is that excess power can be accurately determined. Arnaud, have you experimented with my program yet? It has the formula references used to calculate the various cells from the time input parameter as well as a copy of the actual data for comparison. I realize that it is difficult to explain a process of this complexity, but I suspect that you would be able to use it effectively after a learning experience. Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 9:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I have concentrated upon the US cells so far. I looked at the calibration information at an earlier time and decided that it was not well enough defined for the EU cell. Once that decision was made, I kept working toward improving the program one major step at a time with US data until it reached its latest level. Perhaps it is time to go back and apply it to the EU cell as you suggest. I will take a look at the live stream and see if I feel that the needed information is present. Now that the program is relatively stable, I can apply it quickly to new data. I found developing my process to be much like constructing a house. Each part contributes to the whole and at some points of time during the design it functions well, but not quite as good as I wished. Now, it does a very good job but I always can get it to do more if I decide that it is needed. For instance, it would be easy to output a variable that represents the stored internal cell energy since at one time I was calculating that accurately. It is important to set goals that can be met since one can always improve the capabilities and I feel that I have reached an acceptable performance level for now. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 6:04 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP Hello Dave, Your tool is powerful! Did you make also the calibration and exercises with the EU cell? They have reported about ~6W excess heat when direct current applied. The cell reports ~2.5W excess heat with an indirect heating. US cells have been disappointing up to now. But EU cell shows better results, so it would be nice to use your tool on this cell as well if not been done yet. Arnaud
