There does seem to be a little extra speculation about this particular
measurement. Ed, the long term tests reached 800 plus degrees which makes one
wonder whether or not the fine powder would melt under those conditions. Do
the NEA that you envision keep their active form at that elevated temperature?
Dave
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From: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
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Please people, stay in the real world. The description Alex gives has no
relationship to what has been described in the paper or to what is possible.
We have no way of knowing the melting point of that material claim to melt. We
have no way of knowing how much melted. At the vary least, once the stainless
steel container in which the Ni was located formed a hole, the H2 would escape
and the nuclear reaction would stop. In addition, we do not know the melting
point of the Ni in the container because it was reacted with a secret catalyst.
In other words, we know nothing that would support such speculations.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 12:17 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Axil,
You pose some interesting questions. If what you suggest is true, then this
form of LENR would be a bulk effect.
Dave
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The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has revealed
is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new things about the
LENR reaction.
When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches at least 2000C. The melting
point of the ceramic used is in that temperature range.
We know that ceramic is used in the reactor and that the LENR reaction can melt
it. This is exciting.
At that temperature, the nickel powder and the AISI 310 steel has long reached
its melting point.
The LENR reaction must be able to function in a liquid metal environment. The
concept of an NAE supported in only solid material must be discarded.
LENR must function in liquid and vapor.
Riddle me that one batman.
Collective, in other words, I will be awaiting your theories.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how do you
propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process other than fusion?
Of course, the process is not like hot fusion, but this does not remove another
process that results in fusion as the mechanism. The W/L mechanism is the only
current published theory that does not propose fusion, but this idea is so far
from explaining any observation, it can be ignored.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Ed,
Good analysis and totally agree with your conclusions except for your
description as a "fusion" process since that remains controversial would just
call it an as yet "undetermined" process. [snip] , which allows the diffusion
rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant and cool[/snip].
Fran
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Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect.
First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant
time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE once formed is
very stable. This degree of stability severely limits the theories
that can be applied and eliminates most of the ones presently being
explored.
Second, he has shown that the effect can be effectively controlled by
temperature. This means that one rate-controlling part of the process
is endothermic. I have previously proposed that this part involves
diffusion of H or D into the NAE. This suggestion is based on simple
logic. The rate of the nuclear reaction is determined by how rapidly
the reactants can assemble, which would be controlled by diffusion. Of
course, once the reactants are assembled, the nucear reaction would be
very fast and not be subject to control.
To effectively solve the control problem, Rossi has maximized thermal
contact between the NAE in the Ni and a source of temperature, which
is the heaters. He has to apply power because the NAE in the NI has to
cool rapidly once the LENR process tries to grow in intensity by
getting hotter as a result of its own heat production. In other words,
the effect involves two rate controlling processes, one is exothermic
and the other is endothermic. Control requires a balance be created
between the two. This balance uses diffusion as the control mechanism.
He heats the material to a temperature that allows the heat producing
rate in the NAE to start to self-heat. He then turns off the external
heat source and the resulting temperature, which allows the diffusion
rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant and cool.
This process is repeated. A waveform of applied power is chosen to
make this process as efficient as possible.
Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this description
must be acknowledged because it is based on engineering principles,
not on a theory of LENR.
Ed Storms
