I'd also put DGT's approach into this group.

Has DGT ever reported a huge pressure increase and/or a shock wave
immediately after the spark discharge? I would expect such a process to
occur consistent with spark discharge in hydrogen that other people have
seen.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Those who have been around the alternative energy scene for long enough are
>> certainly aware of the niche which is now called simply "HHO". ...
>>
>>
>> Mills new paper should be read in that context. Basically it is an HHO
>> paper, which is cleverly disguised as something else in order to shoehorn
>> it
>> into a theory (and especially into IP) which does may or may not apply,
>> due
>> to the vast amount of prior art.
>>
>
> Interesting links.  The conceptual history of the HHO stuff is
> fascinating.  Stepping back a little, it is interesting how many of the
> details relating to remediation of waste and the use of electric arcs and
> so on crop up over and over in different contexts.
>
> It seems reasonable to put Mills's theory into the HHO lineage (e.g.,
> Browns gas).  His actual method, or what he discloses of it in the recent
> paper, is similar to that of Karabut, a LENR researcher who has been using
> glow discharge forever.  I'd also put DGT's approach into this group.  If
> one allows that Papp may have been adding hydrogen to his fuel, his
> approach also seems very similar.
>
> I do not know what to make of Mills's claims about broadband emissions in
> some spectra differentiating some cathode configurations from others, in
> which there supposedly was no broadband emission.  For example, on p. 29,
> graphic (B) claims to show a broadband hump in the spectrum that does not
> really exceed 1.5E5 photon intensity.  This graph is given as evidence of a
> hydrino reaction that was taking place.  On p. 32, graphic (A), the lower
> part of the spectrum goes up to 2E5 photon intensity, but this time it's
> attributed to background due to scattered photons.  It seems, then, that it
> is the shape of the spectrum and not the photon intensity that is
> distinguishing the two cases.  Has anyone drawn a conclusion about the
> lower broadband emissions part of a series of spectra before, apart from
> instrumental artifact?
>
> I suspect Mills is seeing something important that is differentiating in
> his mind the successful cases from the inactive cases, but it's not clear
> to me what this is yet.
>
> Eric
>
>

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