On 9/18/14, 6:24 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Well, Ruby I hope Miles is correct (from the standpoint of strong LENR
advocacy on my part) and I thank you for following up with the proper
question. All of us here should only be concerned with the science --
not promoting one theory or another. Most of us do want to promote a
proper understanding of what makes LENR work, however and sometimes
that goes against the grain.
At some point, we have to have confidence in the results from a lab.
Dr. Miles has defended his results successfully from all sides, and pays
attention to details to do it. As a former Navy scientist, he had
access to what he needed. He does not state conclusions lightly.
For me, and despite what Miles has told you today - the lack of gammas
overwhelms any claim that I have seen of helium in proportion to heat.
But again, all it takes is an experiment where ppm of helium is being
made, and we should have that report in a matter of months.
That is your prerogative. However, the fact the the heat-helium
correlation has been made multiple times since Miles' work, should
factor into anyone's thinking on the matter. In particular, the work
SRI did is exemplary. The correlation is strong. In any other field,
this would be clearly seen as fact.
In cold fusion, it seems the lack of discipline, the lack of historical
knowledge, the lack of knowledge of the experimental data, combined with
the euphoria of social media, allows any unfounded criticism to be
amplified beyond it's usefulness.
The think I find most alarming is the "circle the wagons" mentality
that seems to be happening in certain cliques against Mizuno's work.
It is anti-scientific and counter-productive.
Neither I or Miles have said anything about Mizuno. I am not sure who
is "circling the wagons". To quell confusion in the minds of lurkers,
and those who might positively contribute to the field, I am setting the
record straight: heat and helium are correlated for Pd-D systems by
professional scientists from agencies and institutes who've successfully
defended their work for over two decades.
What is means is there is a clear nuclear effect from safe, table-top
cells. And when deuterium is the fuel, helium is a result, a result
that correlates with the mass-energy expected from DD fusion. This does
not point to any particular theory, only a correlation of effects.
See pages 86-91 in Storms' The Science of LENR published 2007 by World
Scientific for the historical facts on the heat-helium correlation, a
very real and documented effect.
http://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/6425
I will end my participation in this discussion here. It's back to work
for me, again. Sigh.
I wish you success in your research efforts, Jones.
Ruby
*From:*Ruby
>From Dr. Melvin Miles:
/"Jones Beene is simply wrong about the accuracy of helium-4
measurements. The laboratories that I used for my samples specialized
in highly accurate helium measurements. The DOI lab in Texas could
easily measure 1 ppb. The Rockwell lab with Dr.Brian Oliver was even
better with an accuracy of 0.1 ppb./"
Ruby
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