On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Ryan Lane <rlan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes! This is a _good_ thing. Developers should feel responsible for what > > they build. It's shouldn't be operation's job to make sure the site is > > stable for code changes. Things should go more in this direction, in > fact. > > > > If you want to give me root access to the MediaWiki production cluster, > then I'll start being responsible for the stability of the site. > > You don't work for WMF, so you personally have no responsibility for the stability of the site. It's the WMF developers who have a responsibility to ensure code they're pushing out won't break the site. As an aside, root isn't necessary to maintain MediaWiki on WMF's cluster ;). Tell me something, what about the developers of MariaDB? Should they be > responsible for WMF's stability? If they accidentally release a buggy > version, are they expected to revert it within hours so that the WMF > operations team can redeploy? Or will the operations team actually test new > releases first, and refuse to update until things start working again? > > You're confused about the role of operations and development, especially with respect to organizations that let developers deploy and maintain the applications they develop. - Ryan _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
