From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [313] Save the vinyl info
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:37:20 -0400
Shades of Jae, and a large number of other Moodymann titles have been
repressed at least twice (last summer for sure, and once before that in
recent memory).
Let's face facts:
1. Record pressing plants want to make money
ergo
they press the records people pay them to press.
2. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Cheers
todd
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From: "Lee Herrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: [313] Save the vinyl info
> ....you know I have always wondered what keeps some artists from having
> their "classic" work repressed. I would love to be able to stop by Bent
> Crayon and pick up early Metamorphic, or KDJ EP's. For whatever reason
> after the first 800-3000 copies are distributed and sold that's it. The
> Peacefrog label even has a compilation series called "deletions" [a
> collection of long out-of-print vinyl titles].
> I caught an earful of "shades of jae" the other week. Intrigued, I
> attempted to locate a merchant or distributor that carried a copy. No
luck.
> Perhaps the artists or labels do not feel there is enough demand to
justify
> the cost of a second issue. Makes you wish you could go back in time.
>
> save the vinyl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Kim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [313] Save the vinyl info
>
> >From: "jim proffit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [313] Save the vinyl info
> >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:10:27
> >
> >fabrice Lig:
> >
> >>>I talked several times to some people from Vinyl pressing factories
and
> >>>eachone told me that they are really really busy and always too much
> >>>records to press.
> >
> >Michael Kim:
> >
> >>how about cutting down the number of bad releases instead? ;)
>
> well i was just kidding (notice the wink sign), but i'll continue this
> discussion for the hell of it... read on
>
> >I think cutting down the number of releases would eventually be
> >catastrophic
> >for this music scene.
> >
> >Factories would have to close down their businesses when there wouldn't
be
> >enough work (records to make) and thus cause the pressing prices go
higher
> >and higher, making it useless to release this music on vinyl when at
the
> >end
> >a record could cost you twice as much as it does now.
> >
> >Only the strongest pressing plants would survive, and eventually
there'd
be
> >only 2 or 3 pressing plants IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
> >Not much choice there.
> >
> >I think this effect is already showing the way average record price has
> >been
> >steadily rising in the last 15 years, and the amount of new dance
releases
> >per month should now be higher that ever?
>
> i think that's mostly due to inflation. i mean, nobody claims the
reason
> for higher burger prices is due to mad cow disease, right? higher cost
of
> operation, higher prices to the consumer. price of a Big Mac combo meal
15
> years ago sure wasn't over $4.
>
> i also don't think it would be that big a deal. i'm no economics
expert,
so
> maybe my opinion isn't as valid as yours, but there are so many horrible
> records coming out and so few pressings of good ones in comparison. why
not
> just make MORE copies of good records? i don't think you'll have
problems
> selling reissues of classics, look how fast Cybotron - Clear went.
>
> okay, maybe it might take a little bit of creativity out of the equation
if
> everybody has the same records, but i've seen horrible records sit in
> shelves for years. a pressing plant may be pressing it, but if nobody
buys
> it, somebody's got to pay for that.
>
> also, look at how many Swedish imitation records come out. they sound
the
> same, no new ideas, more than half of the Swedish sounding records are
> garbage. i mean, do these records really need to be released
constantly?
> if you miss one, you can find twenty others the next week that sound
just
> like it. on a big system, it's REALLY hard to differentiate between two
> tracks a lot of the time because they're so similar.
>
> (note: i'm not trying to say all Swedish techno sounds bad, a lot of it
is
> quite good, but you all know the imitations i'm talking about)
>
> i really wish record pressing plants would concentrate on making more
copies
> of good records, and reissuing good older records and classics that they
> KNOW will sell, rather than pressing the latest record that nobody will
> remember or care about two weeks after its release. because people who
are
> relatively new to record buying, like me, can find the good stuff and
buy
> the classics up on sight.
>
> >It's a sort of Amazon jungle this "dance" music business; you have to
have
> >as many species as possible in order to keep the ecological balance.
>
> yeah, but how many other people here are sick of listening to 50 bad
records
> to find 1 good one? bad not as in missed the boat, but bad as in
copycat
> bullsh*t records that you can't imagine anybody (with any reasonable
amount
> of taste) buying?
>
> Fabrice Lig mentioned record pressing plants having way too many records
to
> press. i think the constant onslaught of garbage records has something
to
> do with that.
>
> Mike
>
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