wait a minute.....this is what i am saying .....the jaguar is NOT sampled in my opinion, and everything i have figured out based on facts make me think that it has NOT been sampled....its just my opinion ....if everyone wants to think that the Jaguar is sampled or copied ...let them think that ...... i believe what we have here is a case of the way people play piano(synths and keyboards) and maybe subconscious influence .......... what i really meant i guess...is if you have ever talked to mad mike about the jaguar you quickly realize that it wasn't just another track.....it is a real spiritual track for everyone at UR cause of what it means to rolando , mike and crew.....now after talking about it for a bit and realizing that....i would find it REAL hard that it could be sampled knowing how important the record was to rolando.... thats all i am saying ..... i am not going to have a 10 email contest of words cause i will lose every time ...i am not the best writer on the list thats for sure.... i just think its one big coincidence .....i mean more than one piano/keyboard player has hit the same 3 or 4 notes in a row i am sure......and i think its funny that it has taken up this much time on the list.....
michael www.renegaderhythms.com Matt MacQueen wrote: > > Michael, > Nahhh. While I respect the levels that you have thought through all of > this, all your analysis is based on the (weak, IMHO) assumption that > Jaguar DOES sample that TCOY track, and I'm arguing that it *DOESN'T*. > So everything else you conclude is based on that assumption, and it's > not an assumption I buy whatsoever, so the rest of it to me is a moot > point. > > I mean, go dig out Jaguar again and tell me that's a sample... IMHO > there is no way. Have you ever tried to sample stuff and use it in a > track? There's extraordinary difficulty in finding a clean enough > version of that string part of the track to be able to sample it and > make Jaguar with it. Still, everyone's ears are subjective and it's > something neither of us can conclusively prove one way or the other. > :) > > cheers > Matt MacQueen > > On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 07:56 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Devil's Advocate - > > If you sampled a piece of music but never cleared it legally - and, > > knowing > > this, if it was discovered that you did sample the music and it leaked > > out > > you ran the very great risk of being sued - especially if you had a > > fairly > > high profile court case over that same piece of music - would *you* > > tell > > anyone that you used a uncleared sample in the music? > > > > since I wasn't there during your conversation I don't know exactly > > what you > > talked about except for what you mentioned below, however, I noticed > > that > > you said, "he > > told me about alot of other elements in the track". So did he not tell > > you > > about _this_ particular element? I'll proceed then to ask if he didn't > > could it be because it was a sample? > > > > end Devil's Advocate > > ____________ > > > > personally, I don't care if it's Mad Mike or George Michael - if it > > was a > > sample, some is owed some money. It should be a level playing field. > > > > I'm not a musicologist but I do deal with this sh*t every day and they > > sound suspiciously similar. Accidental or not - that's not a defense > > anymore. If you pull onto a road and don't see a speed limit sign and > > then > > decide to floor the gas pedal, that doesn't mean you aren't breaking > > the > > law. If you have accidentally infringed upon someone else's copyright > > - the > > prosecution has the right to ask that you remove all offending material > > from the market and you can still owe them a truck load of money. > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > MM > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt MacQueen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > thms.com> cc: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected], > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 08/04/03 07:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) > > "Jaguar" Strings on 80s House record? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so let me get all of this correct.......according to everyone here on > > this list the general opinion is that UR and rolando sampled this TCOY > > track???? and did not make it them selfs.....man with all of the > > bullshit that surrounded the jaguar you think someone else would have > > dug this up if it was true....but its probably not true......... the > > last time i was in detroit i talked with mike for a good long time like > > 7 hours...and its kinda funny we talked about the jaguar...and he never > > mentioned that he or rolando sampled a record to make it...i mean he > > told me about alot of other elements in the track....unless of course > > he > > was lying ......in order for UR to have sampled that track then it > > would > > mean that Mad Mike and the rest of UR were lying to everyone in the > > world.....I THINK NOT....if the track sounds like it then its probably > > a > > coincidence ...but i doubt that UR would put on this elaborate hoax to > > fool everyone.....lets be real...i mean UR has been this whole > > time....the fact that people think UR sampled this record in paticular > > makes me laugh...... i have heard that same beginning of the melody > > ALOT > > from various tracks from the 70's & 80's...as well as the general > > arrangements in that track....my opinion...and maybe you can all laugh > > at me when someone sue's UR ...but i don't think it will happen.... > > > > michael > > www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt MacQueen wrote: > >> > >> On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote: > >> > >>>> no one has mentioned the possibility that they both sampled > >>>> strings from the same source and then flipped them differently. > >>>> obviously this house track was made during a period of sample > >>>> heavy marrs/coldcut influenced stuff. so its entirely possible the > >>>> strings are from an old song and that they both sampled the same > >>>> original track, just different parts and in different ways. > >>> > >>> Interesting theory. But I'd wager that the strings in Jaguar were > >>> PLAYED, and are not a sample to begin with. Esp. with that crazy > >>> solo > >>> at the end. > >> > >> Just to clarify I mean in Jaguar I bet they were PLAYED live on a > >> keyboard (which has a string patch or whatever), not played on an > >> actual real analog stringed instrument (a la Metro Area or Kelley > >> Polar > >> Quartet). > >> > >> peace > >> Matt MacQueen > > > > > >
