From: Brian Dillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [313] agents of change
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:12 -0800
i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not talking
to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception about
what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a
musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers and
move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for
themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all
about
movement and interaction with other members of the audience and
emphatically
NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians.
personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet.
maybe
it's just me ....
i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i see
no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or
engaging
in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your
activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like. (i
have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire
room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power
cord.
oops!)
now that live electronic performances have become more widespread, however,
different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same
event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars
gig
in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there, gawking
at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage.
they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time.
it
was hilarious.
--brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM
To: :); [email protected]
Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician,
AND
that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede. You've pulled
rank. You are way too old school. I give up, ok? It was a really good
party....
":)" wrote:
> ok. first off, the venue was NOT packed. it was close, but there was
> PLENTY of room to dance. I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
> bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and
take
> a damn nap. I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
> annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your
gear.
> a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
> augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
> common taste.
>
> I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed... probably had
> something to do with the detroit police that were standing by. :\
>
> anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am
using
> as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...
>
> no flames plz
>
> </rant>
> -Joe
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
>
> > Please don't tell me that you were that guy! The tall, blonde-haired
guy
> at
> > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf saying, "Geez!
Why
> is
> > no one dancing!?" Then turning around and not dancing yourself. I
really
> > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you
were
> just
> > tearing it up and cutting a rug.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques. Once in
a
> > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but
to
> > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part
(I
> > hate to dissappoint you, but...) I was watching, admiring, and
learning
> > from a true innovator.
> >
> > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at
the
> > front, it was friggin packed! How could anyone even move, let alone
> dance!
> > We were shoulder to shoulder. People were tearing it up 10-20 feet
back.
> >
> > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want
to
> > watch the artist. Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same
> time!
> >
> >
> > TJ Johnson
> > www.wireframerecords.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> > Subject: [313] agents of change
> >
> >
> > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> > >
> > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the
crowd
> was
> > almost unattentive.. My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the
front
> > around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of
> people
> > just standing around. I felt as if I was gathered around an accident
> scene,
> > with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but
otherwise
> > giving no indication that there was *music* at the party. After the
joint
> > got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
> > enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some
guy
> &
> > we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> > > too often...
> > >
> > > -P
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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