thats true, this was an anemic crowd to say the least. I like the general vibe at the Motor.. people get down there :) too bad it didn't ever stay open past 2am :\
anyone know how late acquaviva plays there on new years? do they ever make an exception to the 2am closing time? I was there ONCE when acquaviva played until about 2:30, but I don't think thats common. can they just close the bar and keep playing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [313] agents of change > yak......yak......yak.......blah....blah..... > > While I am certianly not the party gestapo by any stretch of the imagination > our music is distinguished from all others by its NAME!! > > DANCE music is just that. Whether you throw some other descriptive term at > the front middle or back end of that....it is still about the DANCE! > > This is a generational thing, because for decades dance music has been just > that: A CALL TO ACTION, for those seeking it out. If one chooses to watch > from the sidelines, that is totally cool just mind the ONLY rule: NO > PARKING ON THE DANCEFLOOR!!! > > If you want to watch and bob your head, cool. Just move to the side and > quit f**king up the flow for those of us there for serious activity. Small > wonder there was no vibe at this gig--with hundreds of dullards parked in > front of these artists selfishly sucking it up. > > I was at this event and was appalled by the vapidity of the crowd. I've > been to perhaps thousands of parties much like this and never was a lack of > SYMBIOSIS more apparent due to the lack of soul in the crowd. > > Dance music PARTIES--clubs/festivals are highly social because of what they > are designed around-------DANCING!!!!!! > > As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the system was > crap. If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance, stand > about or holla, converse, kiss and rub against each other with very little > stress AND STILL HEAR THE MUSIC , not just beats. > > If you can't get with this program in a mind- body- soul expanding mindset, > go to a bar/cafe or a friend's house and listen to a good mix on cd. > > ovah and out........ > > > >From: Brian Dillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [313] agents of change > >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:12 -0800 > > > >i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not talking > >to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception about > >what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a > >musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers and > >move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for > >themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all > >about > >movement and interaction with other members of the audience and > >emphatically > >NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians. > > > >personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to > >shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet. > >maybe > >it's just me .... > > > >i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i see > >no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or > >engaging > >in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your > >activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like. (i > >have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire > >room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power > >cord. > >oops!) > > > >now that live electronic performances have become more widespread, however, > >different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same > >event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars > >gig > >in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there, gawking > >at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage. > >they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time. > >it > >was hilarious. > > > >--brian > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM > >To: :); [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [313] agents of change > > > > > >Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician, > >AND > >that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede. You've pulled > >rank. You are way too old school. I give up, ok? It was a really good > >party.... > > > >":)" wrote: > > > > > ok. first off, the venue was NOT packed. it was close, but there was > > > PLENTY of room to dance. I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35 > > > bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and > >take > > > a damn nap. I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how > > > annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your > >gear. > > > a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only > > > augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share > > > common taste. > > > > > > I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed... probably had > > > something to do with the detroit police that were standing by. :\ > > > > > > anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am > >using > > > as a reference point when speaking of packed venues... > > > > > > no flames plz > > > > > > </rant> > > > -Joe > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [313] agents of change > > > > > > > Please don't tell me that you were that guy! The tall, blonde-haired > >guy > > > at > > > > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf saying, "Geez! > >Why > > > is > > > > no one dancing!?" Then turning around and not dancing yourself. I > >really > > > > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you > >were > > > just > > > > tearing it up and cutting a rug. > > > > > > > > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques. Once in > >a > > > > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but > >to > > > > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part > >(I > > > > hate to dissappoint you, but...) I was watching, admiring, and > >learning > > > > from a true innovator. > > > > > > > > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at > >the > > > > front, it was friggin packed! How could anyone even move, let alone > > > dance! > > > > We were shoulder to shoulder. People were tearing it up 10-20 feet > >back. > > > > > > > > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want > >to > > > > watch the artist. Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same > > > time! > > > > > > > > > > > > TJ Johnson > > > > www.wireframerecords.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM > > > > Subject: [313] agents of change > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party? > > > > > > > > > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the > >crowd > > > was > > > > almost unattentive.. My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the > >front > > > > around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of > > > people > > > > just standing around. I felt as if I was gathered around an accident > > > scene, > > > > with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but > >otherwise > > > > giving no indication that there was *music* at the party. After the > >joint > > > > got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really > > > > enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some > >guy > > > & > > > > we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit > > > > > too often... > > > > > > > > > > -P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
