Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Quentin Harley wrote: >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> Are there any examples that where made with Linux only? >>> >>> >> Yes, Elephants dream. >> >> http://orange.blender.org/ >> >> >> Cheers, >> Quentin > > Hi Quentin :) > > that's really wicked, if a multimedia Linux will be half as good on my > equipment, I would be fine with Linux for multimedia. > > With multimedia Linux it's pretty much as it is with aliens. I never saw > a flying saucer. Flying saucers can be seen by people that live far > away. Even people in Germany that have stable multimedia Linux, are > living far away from my home, all people that are living next door to > me, have less stable multimedia Linux than mine.
I don't have this experience. I use Linux everyday for media related stuff, from grabbing podcasts via Amarok, to transcoding videos for my blackberry, to watching TV shows (downloaded or transcoded from my mythtv machine), to recording, mixing, arranging or just playing music through my 64Studio or Ubuntu machines. By contrast, my Windows XP computer can not play MP3s or DVDs whenever I do a fresh install. I have to go and install a codec pack like CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) which is of dubious legality. I also have to trust that the CCCP folks are not putting malware into the download, I also have to buy and install a decent AV package (AVG has missed a couple of virii lately, so I am unwilling to trust it). > > I'm deeply impressed, I don't like that kind of visual computer art of > ‘Elephants Dream’, but it's also possible to do things like > http://www.vimeo.com/2233809. Elephant dreams is one of the video > streams my all day 64 Studio Lenny can't play, but I've seen a little > bit from the YouTube documentation, the pics and I heard the soundtrack. > <snip> > Just one year for such a perfect audio and video production done by only > six people with FLOSS only, this is absolute perfect, exactly what I'm > looking for. > > Anyway, so far I didn't find which Linux audio and video equipment, > which distro and what hardware were used. "Open Source Tools" also can > mean that the OS was Windows or MacOS, we also can't rule out, that it > was running on IRIX, on Silicon Graphics computers there are also > running FLOSS tools like GIMP and maybe Blender too. > > Thinking about the distros I'm using, 64 Studio and Suse and I pay for > my first Suse, it was 9.0, with support, I don't believe that ‘Elephants > Dream’ was done with Linux and home equipment hardware, maybe Blender > was running on a network of expensive computers, that only were using > Linux, but especially the final audio mastering seems to be done with > Non-FLOSS equipment. I bet at the end of the film we can read, that it > was done in a Dolby licensed audio studio and the video rendering was > done on extreme expensive computer hardware. It can be done on less expensive hardware, it just takes more time. High end powerful CPUs with high speed high quality RAM (ECC) and fast hard drives all cost money. Again, none of this is a requirement for this project, it would just take a lot longer to render. I have also found that some programs like Inkscape and Gimp work better under linux than they do under windows. VMware workstation is also a lot faster when I use Linux as the host OS. From my rough calculations there is 10-30% IO penalty under Windows. YMMV. > I would be satisfied with less quality, but the audio and video > applications I TRIED TO USE with Linux, with my old ASRock and my new > ASUS mobo based hardware, don't allow to do any production, while I have > the gift and knowledge to do it with Non-Linux equipment, I don't have > the money to put this into my homestudio. > I think you answered your own question. While I know that there are limitations with a FLOSS only approach (or any approach for that matter), I know that CD or DVD quality is achievable. I am only really limited by my own ability. Frankly your seemingly lack of success puzzles me. I don't remember having this much trouble when I switched from Windows to Linux 7 years ago. Besides, in the words of Yoda, there is no try. Only do or do not. > Before I will install a Windows, I'll have to do a last audio test with > Suse 11.0 and a downgraded fluidsynth and libfluidsynth1, maybe once in > a lifetime I will have good luck with Linux. After I have done that, I > will try to install for Suse an ATI driver, that made a 64 Studio > broken, to take a look at Blender for Linux, if Suse can handle the ATI > driver. ATI provides a binary only (fglrx) driver just like nvidia does. You may wish to try it. Video performance with the VESA driver is not really acceptable to me. Of course binary drivers may cause issues with RT kernels. Oh the joys. > > What are the possible errors that can be caused by an on-board graphics, > when running real-time audio applications? I didn't have the money until > now, to get a PCIe graphics. > Depends on the adaptor. If you are not using some binary drivers there should be no issues with the video adaptor, onboard or otherwise. > Is it really absurd to hope a 32-bit Linux might be fine on my machine, > while 64-bit Linux aren't fine for some needed applications? > I am not sure what you mean by this?
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