-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Phillips wrote: > Daniel James wrote: >>> it was no picnic getting things this far and I will not be surprised >>> if users report problems similar to the ones I encountered. >> I'd be very interested to read about that, as we're currently >> developing a product based on Jaunty sources. >> <snip> > And yes, the problem with the DVD installer is known to the distro devs. > So I re-installed a stock 8.10 (i386) and used the Upgrade Manager to > successfully upgrade to Jaunty. My troubles began after installing the > Ubuntu Studio meta packages. Again, I won't go into the details now, but > I have quite a list of things I had to do to get the system to a > workable state. > >>> I also have a few recommendations for all multimedia distro maintainers. >> I'm all ears :-) >> I would also recommend avoiding moving targets like the Ubuntu releases. Too much can change between each release and 6 months is not a lot of time to stay on top of them all. Ubuntu 8.10 and 9.04 in particular have been challenging. > > Two especially annoying details that might be handled by the distro > installer and its configuration tools: The entries in > /etc/security/limits.conf and the creation of an audio group with the > user included. I don't see why the user has to take these steps, they're > the same for every installation, so why not automate them ? > I believe that this has now been corrected with the Ubuntu Studio Controls package. This is one area where Ubuntu Studio at least has someone working on it.
> I have more to say about things like Pulseaudio, insufficient support > for the touchpad, HAL polling, and other annoyances, but you'll have to > wait. Or you can try installing Jaunty like I did to see which of my > troubles occur for you. I am still using Intrepid on my laptop. I will be moving to Jaunty within a couple of weeks. I am interested to see if I have the same problems. Despite what many said, 8.10 was fine for low latency audio, as long as you replaced the Ubuntu kernel. Most of the annoyances that you mentioned are kernel related. It seems that most of us have had better luck with stock kernels and the RT patches. The RT kernels based on the Ubuntu patched kernel seem to have lots of weird problems. For this reason there are a couple of us who are looking at maintaining a specialized RT kernel for Ubuntu Studio. Something for Daniel and Free to keep an eye on I suppose. > > Basically, anything that is going to be configured identically across > all installations should be taken out of the user's concerns. For > example, I can't figure why Pulseaudio is installed as the primary sound > server in an audio production system. If it is included there ought to > be a 1-click solution for disabling it, but at this time a rather > lengthy series of hoops must be negotiated. And on and on and on it > goes, one annoyance after another. I have been following this particular issue rather closely. The problem is that pulseaudio is part of the ubuntu-desktop meta package. Removing it causes a lot of problems and means that Ubuntu Studio moves even further from a stock Ubuntu install. In and of itself this is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Ubuntu Studio guys have some serious manpower issues right now. This is a lot of work for an already stretched team. More than anything, they need people to contribute to the project. Unlike in the commercial realm, the number of users does not indicate success, the number of active contributors is what matters. Ubuntu Studio has the problem of trying to please a large number of users unwilling to actually pitch in. A lot of the technical problems with Ubuntu Studio are upstream. They need to do a lot of work to bend Ubuntu into an appropriate low latency workstation. For a stable DAW it makes sense to me to stick to the LTS releases. I consider all other Ubuntu releases to be more like betas or release candidates. The 6 month release schedule also makes it more difficult to keep on top of the new changes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoLQTQACgkQwRXgH3rKGfO9+QCdG6EWyeLjmG+z3pnPe2lRoLJ3 peEAnR7p86WS5aqVz05qfwla20zvZ+6o =75ek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 64studio-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users
