Hi Yoshi,

Unlike legacy EAP transports, the final EAP result delivery in PANA is two-way 
(acknowledged) and also crypto-protected using the key generated from 
successful EAP authentication. Therefore, I don't think we need an additional 
step of key confirmation. 

Alper



On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:41 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Actually LLCs for PANA in 802.15.9 section D.2 can be link-layer keys that 
> are independent of pair-wise key established between JN and JCE.  In this 
> case, we might need a key confirmation protocol (such as MLE 3-way handshake 
> ) used as an 802.15.9 KMP between JN and JA.  
> 
> Yoshihiro Ohba
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 6tisch [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tero Kivinen
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:06 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Malisa Vucinic; Michael Richardson; [email protected]; Rafa Marin Lopez
> Subject: Re: [6tisch] Directions on the join process
> 
> Robert Cragie writes:
>> provide the secure session with which to transport the data. So I 
>> think Tero has this wrong - PANA definitely can be used to distribute 
>> keys and be used for rekeying, however I mean this independent of the 
>> pairwise key established as part of the authentication between JN and JCE.
> 
> That might be true for general case, but in the 802.15.9 annex D says:
> 
> D.2 Use Cases
> 
> The main use of PANA in 802.15.9 is for provisioning the link-layer 
> credentials (LLCs) to the joining node, where the LLCs can be of any type 
> including shared key and public key credentials. LLCs are used for secure 
> link establishment between adjacent 802.15.9-capable nodes.
> The process of provisioning the LLCs is also referred to as bootstrapping. 
> Bootstrapping can also be used for renewing the LLCs. A KMP used for 
> bootstrapping is referred to as a bootstrapping KMP. A KMP used to secure 
> link establishment is referred to as a link-establishment KMP. While PANA can 
> be used for both bootstrapping and link-establishment, this document provides 
> the guidelines for the use of PANA as a bootstrapping KMP.
> 
> I.e. for some reason 802.15.9 annex was written in a way where it only 
> describes how it is used as a bootstrapping KMP. And no, I do not know why it 
> was written that way.
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